Brick waller! PLEASE help

[LFADAM]

I have been riding for 5 years and I still SUCK. Last year my problem was being scared but I just came back from riding and I hucked a few different brick wall tricks with no luck whatsoever!
I tried some HS FS 360s and would miss the handle and/or go off axis and make 270 degrees of the rotation. One time I went way off axis and my knee hit my forehead. It was pretty funny actually.
Then I tried tantrums. I figure, well they would be pretty easy , huh? Just cut, switch your edge and flip. WRONG! I would cut in REALLY hard switch my edge up the wake and just do a 1 wake jump. Only two times did I start to flip and I only made a quarter of the rotation. What am I doing wrong!!!! I tried like 15 of them.

So, my main question is what brick wall trick do you think would be best for me.
+Backroll (havent tried in a while, feels very different than anything Ive done before)
+Tantrum
+HS FS 360
+Raley? (sounds easy, if I can get the balls to do it)
+Wrapped HS BS 360
+TS FS 360

In order to decide which one you think is best for me, Ill give you as much info as possible.

1.)My HS is slightly stronger than TS like most
2.)I can do Grabs, TS FS 180s sometimes, Inside the wake out, HS 180s
Ollie blind 180s
3.) I need somthing thats not completely unique, like a backroll rotation because Im just not picking up these "unique to wakeboarding" concepts. Thats why I was thinking a raley. Just jump, let your feet fly back and pull them in. And the closest Ive gotten was a HS FS 3.


Any advice? Thanks.

[wakeboarder_360]

As far as the raley goes some people pick it up and some don't. Personally I am struggling with it and have 11 different inverts and a ts fs 5, some people can do it and can't even jump ts. The tantrum you don't necessarily change your edge you just flatten out and enjoy the ride really. It should kick you up and back without you doing almost any work. Just stand tall and relax, if you tense up you may not be fully extending your legs or will just kill your pop. also cutting in really hard isn't necessary, stay in control, I can do these with very little edge, pretty much just drifting in. The faster you go the harder it is to time it.you

The backroll is a really easy trick if you do it right. On this trick I find it easier if you cut leaning back instead with your back straight up. So maybe cut 15-20 ft away, start off slow and use a progressive edge. As you hit the wake if you cut leaning back you will stay on edge and all you have to do is rock onto your back foot and allow the board to keep cutting up and away. If you time this right the board will shoot out pretty fast and you should be going relatively big depending on the cut you take.

The tantrum or backroll would be good either way but you have to remember they happen without you having to huck it. It sounds like you are hucking it instead of letting the wake do the work for you. good luck!

[roundbaywakeboard]

Learn the basics of wakeboarding.

[colefooter]

Haha raleys+easy=wrong. Raleys are so much harder than all of those tricks on there if you ask me. I don't even mess around with raleys because they hurt like hell if you don't land them...

I say go for the backroll. Backroll is so easy, once you land it once, you will land it a billion times after that with ease. Or you could go with tantrum, because i learned backroll , then tantrum. But now that i look back, the tantrum was a ton easier for me to land.

For a tantrum, just learn backflips off of a dock, on a trampoline, or anything. Sounds like you are making it harder than it is. wakeboarder_360 basically said how you do it, just flatten out and enjoy the ride .

Backrolls you just gotta roll off the wake, it is as simple as that. Don't try to huck it or anything, just simply let the wake do the work. It is so easy once you figure it out. It is hard to describe on how to land it, because everyone does it a little bit different. One piece of advice that helped me when i was learning them is when you keep landing on the board, and you are slipping out backwards.. pull the rope up, or let it out near the end to slow down your rotation.

Since you can do ollie bs 180s, you should try one w2w. They aren't that much different than the ollie bs 180s, you basically just need to hold on, and hope you don't catch that back edge haha.

Well to wrap this up, i say go for the backroll, and if that doesn't work out for you, go for the tantrum. I think inverts are a ton easier than spinning, actually i know that haha. Just stick one of the first few inverts, and then a TON of new tricks will open up, and they will be easy to land.

Ride hard and land these!

[shaggyboarder]

i would go with the hs fs 3 just remember its all about technique the key to spins is handle positioning hit your rear hip pass handle and fall out easier said than done ...yeah goodluck

[HoustonJ]

I say crow because you can do a ts fs 180. Tantrum is all about cutting in pretty hard flattening out throwing your head back and looking for the water on the other side. Some people put their chin to their chest and that hunches your back and you dont flip but if you lay out and just throw your head back your body will follow.

[NorthwestRider]

Raleys= Easy. I have a friend that can barly do a grab over the wake but can throw a solid Raley. And can OHH pretty good. I landed my Raley after 3 trys, never took a hard fall. Just start off easy. Let your body go back a little bit the first time you throw it. then a little more each time. Take a BIG HS cut stare a the tower/pole. and push the rope down to your knee or bring your knees to the handle which ever you wanna do.

pretty much all those trick you are capable of doing just go watch some videos and study the tricks. then try them.

[LFADAM]

Thanks for all the advice. Ill study up on HE and try most of them next time I ride. Im liking the TS 360s more and more and they dont seem too hard because its just a two TS 180s, but I need to get a little more TS hang time. Maybe off the d-up. By what I am hearing, a backroll seems pretty doable, I'll start trying those again. That and the HS FS 3. Raley can wait but I could practice them on a skate, preferably when its warmer. The water is still below 60.

[ben746]

Actually, TS 360 is a TS FS 180 then a switch HS BS 180. Try a switch backside 180, just doing it inside out (of the wake) will help. After you do those two a couple of times, you will nail that TS 360 in no time.

[J_DOGG]

HS backroll
HS FS 3
TS FS 3
Tantrum

Don't think you are going to start hitting the D-up TS busting tricks, it will take a few times before you even hit it good TS.

The reason I say Tantrum last cuz it requires the easiest approach and release. Meaning anyone can scream into the wake change edges and look up and over. This trick has the biggest potential for creating bad habits IMO.

I say learn spins first, Ugly inverts are a dime a dozen and you can make almost any spin look fairly decent.

[wakedude83]

You think too much. Just go try stuff.

[boarder52002]

whats a brick waller

[vision135]

Practice till you finally stick it and when you do you will be on top of the world. Like wakedude83, said just get out there and try it over and over again till you get it.

[LFADAM]

boarder52002, stuck at basics, no spins 360 or over and no inverts. Its a tough point to get past, hence "the brick wall"

vision135, yea man I cant wait to do it. It will make my month.


wakedude83, I did that last weekend. Now im just trying to get opinions on what will help me progress and get by the brick wall faster.

J_DOGG, Thanks for the advice. I will definetly hit just TS plain D ups first. I agree on spins looking better than ugly inverts. I think Ill be a better spinner than flipper in the long run. Just seeing whats easiest to learn.

Thanks for the advice. Mucho appreciado

[LFADAM]

Well this weekend I tried some 1 wake HS FS 3s because I couldnt work up the guts to try them w2w @ 22-24 mph and it helped because it was less tension at a slower speed. On my first try I rotated it perfectly but missed the handle and coasted and sunk. The same thing happened for the rest of them. I felt the handle one time but it slipped away. I think I am not pulling the handle to my hip, correct?
Also I noticed I pull my knees up into a ball right by my chin. I noticed this after my knee hit my chin cutting my tongue. Is this bad form? Thanks for input

[LFADAM]

Update...afer a week of hucking different tricks, I landed a one wake hs fs (handle pass) 360. Felt cool but I didnt land another one after that. As you can see in the sequence, I sometimes forget to pull the handle. Even when I do, I get the handle but land front heavy and the yank makes me pop the handle. How do I fix this?

Also I landed an inside the wake out BS 180. Eventually I will try it w2w but I gotta work on riding blind and getting out of it. ( I couldnt master the tic toc or surface BS 180 out and for some reason, I couldnt pass the handle. Just forgot it was there.

I had the same results with the tanny. No flippage.

I tried a TS Frontroll, just to see if I had a knack for the rotation. I was going real slow and just hucked it and got about half way. I will proabably pursue those.

BTW: All of these sequences are from different attempts. I dont have a rapid shutter so I just cut out pictures. Thats why the lighting is different,etc.

[LFADAM]

Backside 180 sequence and TS Front Pic. Sorry my camera sucks so bad. Its from like '97, pretty ancient.

[Enzoborder230]

watch out for fireballs on those ts fronts

[LFADAM]

Enzoborder230, ah sh*t. I remember oh too well the feeling of fireballs from slipping out on HS 180s. Thanks for the heads up.