Supra 21V or the Supra 22SSV

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

I am considering trading my 03' Launch for an 05' 22SSV or 21V. I am really struggling with which one to put more effort towards. I really like the look of the SSV and know great things about its wake and quality, but I am struggling with the lack of storage the most. I really like the 21V also but am unsure of the wake and the handling.
-Is it a tank on the water or does it handle well? Lots of bow rise?
-How is the wake on it? and what is the optimal weighting?

I know several of you have recently purchased these so lets hear your feedback and anyone else that knows. I am really struggling with trading in mine #1 and then #2 which one of them to focus more energy on. Anything you have to say to help me and pics would be awesome. Thanks in advance.

Schmo · Posted: Jan 17, 2005 4:04 am Post subject:

FWIW, Water Ski magazine just did a review on all of the Supras, 21V, 22SSV, 24SSV. You may want to check their web site as it has some good info and a video review.

At the boat show this weekend, I was definitely more impressed with the 21V and the 24SSV. I can't stand the freeboard on the SSV... it literally feels like you are sitting on the floor however, that may not bother you.

From what I have seen posted on the 21V, people have been very happy with the wake. While that boat is a tad shorter and a bit wider, it has a great chunk of room (however the 24SSV is ungodly on the amount of storage).

There was one post stating that it doesn't handle the chop well however someone quickly contradicted that. I would think the 21V would handle it better and take less water over the bow due to the freeboard.

Can you not get out and test drive the 21V? That is really the only way as everyones perceptions of "lots of bow rise", "Hows the weight", "optimal weighting" is different. Depends on what you like and what you are used to.

I am on the verge of the 24SSV pending a test drive this weekend.

Spyplane8 · Outlaw Joined: 10 Feb 2003 Posts: 228

I have an 02 ssv and the freeboard doesn't bother me much. Especially after riding in a SANTE. The SSV feels much deeper. The wake is very nice and handling is one of the best. I havent driven the 21v yet but as far as my SSV I have no complaintsl. The surf wake is also pretty nice. Really long compared to a SANTE. With the right board it is really fun. You can surf about 20 feet back. Realy long power zone. The wakes for riding are alittle wider than most. I ride 75 feet. I can edge pretty aggressivley and still go wake to wake. Pretty nice on the knees. Nice storage also. With my 750 bag full in the ski locker I can still fit my Liquid force 5.0 surfboard. I didn't spend all of the money everyone is spending on the Gravity games bags. I just purchased to 540 launchpads and they integrated perfectly. I am going to purchase a 1000 lbs bag for the locker so I don't have to run my 350 across the bow anymore. Anyway just my 2 cents.

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

Come on I know there are a lot of other Supra folks out there. I am driving them both tomorrow and might help me look into somethings while I am out. Thanks again

EMP912 · Addict Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 500 City: Greenback

I used to ride behind behind one of the First Launch DD and it is the hull on the 21 V (of course I maybe wrong). It was the greatest wake that I have ever ridden on. We loved that boat so much. You could keep throwing the weight to it and the wake would just get bigger and harder. It would not stop. Of course it took forever to plain out sometimes but it was wild.

The SSV is nice wake too. It is real hard. It doesn't seem to ever get as steep. Still very good boat and great wake.

I think you will be happy with Either but I would go for the 21V even though it is a little shorter. It is still very wide and roomy.

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

Rode them both last night and leaning towards the 21V, but both a hard decision. I have a DD Launch and the wake is definitely different than mine. I will decide soon..

Scooby · Posted: Jan 20, 2005 6:45 am Post subject:

Diggs - The wake can be the same or different from the direct drive version depending on how you weigh it down. It is based off the same hull as the Lauch. To get that same wake you will need to put more weight in the middle and Front to make up for the engine being in the back. Either way I thing this boat has great potential. People will just have to do a lot of experimenting to find the perfect match. Good luck in your search.

Schmo · Posted: Jan 20, 2005 6:57 am Post subject:

Matt Brown indicated in another thread that the 21V definitely benefits from more weight in the front.

He explicity stated not to put the GG bags in the boat because the rear bag would put too much weight, too far back.

I believe the recommendation was a GG bag in the locker and also another 2 larger bags in the rear, but bags that were longer, rather than thicker... this would distribute more weight to the forward portions of the rear locker.

He mentioned that all the new boats Moomba XLV, 21V and 24SSV benefit from more weight in the front. Get some lead and move it around to experiment... much easier to move around than sacs...

bcraft · Newbie Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 31

What Schmo said is correct. . . . I rode behind the 21V with GG bags and wasn't all that excited about the wake. It turns out that you need the 1100 GG bag up front and then use the normal front bag (long 600lbs ones) as the side sacs in the back. The boat is built so those sacs an extend up into the seat cavaties and add weight to the middle. Mine is supposed to be here in March:)

Here's a picture of the wake but again this is not with the right bag set up. Good luck.

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

Does anyone have a link to that post from Matt Brown where he discussed weighting the 21V?
Thanks for the info guys. I totally agree....

Schmo · Posted: Jan 20, 2005 7:36 am Post subject:

Cha-ching... here you go.

Matt Brown is goose. Look on the last page.

http://forums.wakeboarder.com/viewtopic.php?t=35496&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=70

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

Schmo - Perfect thanks

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

bcraft - how many feet out and what speed?......

bcraft · Newbie Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 31

I ride at 75 and 23.5, but I think length and speed are entirely dependent on the rider and not the boat. . . . just my opinion.

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

I agree. The reason I asked is the wake was really curling at anything below 24 and yours was not curling at all. We will need to tweek the weighting to get it just right. Thanks

Geoff Standish · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 843 City: Calgary

I heard a rumor that the 22 SSV won't be available next year....can anyone confirm or deny that? I'm not trying to sway your decision or anything...We were at the same point you were. We looking and both and ended up going with the 21V.

Good luck with your decision.

RickTinker · Posted: Jan 21, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject:

Geoff,

That is not accurate.

Rick

Geoff Standish · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 843 City: Calgary

RickTinker, interesting...We heard it from a service guy at our dealer. That's good though, I've always enjoyed the SSV.

Thanks!

Geoff

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

I heard similar rumors as well, but there is no way to get rid of the flagship... Maybe a name change to 22V.... Rick???
More storage in it next year?

Rick, do you guys ever take pictures of the boats in process. I have seen other people on this board that get emailed pics of their boat as it is being built. That would be pretty cool!

bcraft · Newbie Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 31

Diggs. . . gotcha. maybe your speedo wasn't calibrated the same???

Rick, I 2nd the pictures comment. . . . . .any chance you can e-mail me pictures of my 21V in the process so I can waste even more of my day at work daydreaming????

RickTinker · Posted: Jan 21, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject:

Diggs,

We have also taken pictures of production boats. It is not an easy thing to accomplish...so no guarantees, but contact your dealer and he will see if he can "Beg" one of our sales team to try to do that. It is a hit or miss kind of thing as we have no system set up to handle it. Just a friend with a camera. Smile

Rick

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

Cool thanks Rick.... I just have to make the decision to push the button...... unfortunately no hints about the SSV next year.... Sell me!!

nickelbg · Newbie Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 3

I am looking to buy either a 2005 Launch 21V or a Launch SSV an additional question that I haven't seen in this forum. I am a wakeboarder, but my wife is a slalom skier.

-I know both of these boats are great for boarding...any experience of how each of them are for slalom skiing?

Much appreciated...and great forum...

silvtongdvl · Outlaw Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 187 City: Crosby,TX

I think Jon posted in a previous thread that some guy in Austraila (I think) just broke a world skiing record behind a SSV. Hopefully he post here and correct me or confirm this. I think either boat is great - each has features that could matter or not to you. I bought the SSV - more of the sports car type of the two.
~S~

Jon · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1176

The 22SSV will have the better wake for skiing. In fact, not long ago, a collegiate ski record was broken behind a 22SSV down in Australia. The 21V ski wake with the plate down will be okay but I think a skier would prefer the 22SSV.

Edit: You beat me to the post!!! haha

nickelbg · Newbie Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 3

Thanks Jon and S -

I figured that the Launch SSV would be better for skiing, but wanted to get a feel for if the 21V would be "passable" for skiing, especially since the wife is not a hardcore skier.

I grew up skiing behind a 19' Nautique DD, and I know the wake won't be nearly like that, but as long as the wake isn't huge w/ plate down the 21V should pass for skiing.

We are test driving both (here in Atlanta) tomorrow, so I'll let you guys know what I think.

Thanks again...

CHiLi DaWg · Posted: Mar 28, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject:

Ask H2O bug about the 21V. He just got one recently. He's hyped on it.

h2obug · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Aug 2003 Posts: 450 City: Muncie, IN

I got to ride behind my 21V for the first time today Very Happy

. It felt just like home with the GG bags. It was very windy 20+ but the wake was just what the doctor ordered. I have to say the 21V is the best boat I have ever driven. I really like the optional wakeboard prop with the bigger GG bags. Looking for a calm day to tweek out the wake. Now Im really stoked!

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

Mine arrived yesterday.... here is the teaser pic and more to come once everything is installed and I get it later this week....

nickelbg · Newbie Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 3

H2Obug - glad to hear the good experience with the 21V. After test driving both the 21V and the 22SSV, we went with the 21V - largely due to the depth of the side walls and the overall comfort for family/etc, but maintaining great performance.

I noticed a slight difference in performance vs. the 22SSV, but not nearly as big a difference as I expected, so the decision was much easier. Wasn't quite as crisp while turning as the 22SSV, but not enough of a difference to push us to the 22SSV. I should point out that we test drove and bought the 340 hp version...

NAW · Posted: Apr 04, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:

Mine is in as well. Now somebody buy my '04 so I can go pick it up!! Laughing

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

NAW
What did you end up with? You got pics? Divulge......

NAW · Posted: Apr 04, 2005 8:37 am Post subject:

I don't want to get the cart in front of the horse, as I don't know what to do with my '04 just yet. But, it's in at the dealer and it's a 21V ordered how I want. Don't want to get too amped until I know it's mine. I'll be sure to put up pics when I get it.

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

Cool.. Let us know... I will have pics up later in the week. I occassionally get messages or emails on my old Lauch I had listed and I will try to send them your way. Tough being accross the country, but will give it a shot... Good luck

NAW · Posted: Apr 04, 2005 8:46 am Post subject:

Diggs, Thanks man. There's been calls and emails every day, a demo yesterday, etc, etc....it won't be long at that price.