Help w/ tantrum (video)

a-ok · Criminal Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 58 City: Tulsa

I started learning the tantrum a few weekends ago. I feel like 3 or 4 out of every 5 attempts is really close, but I don't land and ride them out. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong? I have landed 2 so far.... but would like some advice on how to clean this thing up and land them consistently.

Video link - http://www.wakepics.com/img/12233

Thanks in advance.

J_DOGG · Posted: Oct 06, 2004 2:58 pm Post subject:

Lead with your head more.. don't leave early!
On the close ones you waited the longest to release of the wake.

You are close, keep at it..

colefooter · Posted: Oct 06, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject:

seriously looks like you have a awesome rotation.. just hold on for dear life! Definatly ride the whole wake before you do the trip flip.. but you seem like your so close!

wkbrdmdw · Outlaw Joined: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 215 City: palatine

yea same advice try and wait longer and stand tall at the wake, almost straight up.. if u do the tantrum right u dont need to try and huck a backflip, also try and put a lil more weight on ur front foot it will make ur rotation more balanced and equal

Nathan Newman · Addict Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 711 City: Baylor

yup your leaving too early

a-ok · Criminal Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 58 City: Tulsa

I really appreciate the advice. I realize I'm trying to defy gravity here.... as I'm 6'2" and 285, so thanks again.

Here is something I'm not clear on.... when I feel like I'm really patient all the way to the top of the wake on some attempts, I don't feel like I have a release of any line tension. The tantrum off the top feels big... but I don't have any chance of holding on to the handle due to the lack of releasing line tension on lift off. So - do I try and wait for the top and just focus on totally squaring my shoulders (fast?) to release the line tension? I don't have any of the attempts with the handle popping out to upload, as I only had the camera in the boat the first weekend I was working on these.

Gaignstar · Soul Rider Joined: 29 Sep 2003 Posts: 468

you need to wait for the pop
check out this vid of it, you'll see the difference. I'm sure you will land it in your next session

http://photos.wakeboarder.com/showphoto.php?photo=6343&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

oshensurfer · Posted: Oct 08, 2004 9:15 am Post subject:

I've only just started landing this trick but from the video you are not standing tall at the wake. Your knees are still bent when you start the pop. Here's the advice I was given when I started trying the tantrum.

Progressive edge!!!!!! When you hit the wake, ride it to the top, you want to throw the trick up, not out. Try to pop straight up and STAND TALL when you reach the top of the wake. Exagerate the pop. When I say throw it up, not out, I mean when you pop try to land in the same place you jumped from. Let your speed into the wake carry you across. That last part of landing in the same spot is what worked for me. Good luck.

Fiquid Lorce · Criminal Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 81 City: bradenton

it looks like u need to cut harder

colefooter · Posted: Oct 13, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject:

well i kind of disagree with you hl, because hes getting all the way around, and speed in a tantrum really just gets you to flip faster IMO

Blindside_137 · Posted: Oct 13, 2004 6:39 pm Post subject:

yea speed up and spot the landing and bend your knees on the landing. practice, practice, practice

weby · Outlaw Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 124 City: Sydney

i would have thought you need to get more pop so try and straighten youre legs more. i did this last week and landed my tantrum 2nd attempt

cq13 · Newbie Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 23 City: Indian Trail

youre a loser and should stop wakeboarding before you kill yourself that hurts Colorful

Fiquid Lorce · Criminal Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 81 City: bradenton

looks like u kinda need to cut a little harder and what helped for me was i flexed my ass checks as i came up the wake (sounds gay but it works)

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I haven't read completely what everyone has said but I would disagree with cutting harder. You don't need any more than a normal w2w cut. When I first started attempting trantrums I went balls to the wall and the falls were bad and the landings were hard because of the air. Now I just go in for a normal wake jump and the landing's like butter.

Some people have mentioned it looks like you are initiating the trip flip too early. I would partially agree with this but the problem I see is that you are are trip flipping too abruptly. What you appear to be doing is once you get to the middle/top of the wake you very abruptly initiate the trip flip. But what you need to do is focus on is doing a normal wake jump (progressive edge+stand tall) and then when you're at the very top of the wake you just turn your body slighly toward shore. It's a much more mellow motion than you think. By not tripping so abruptly you maintain the upward momentum you have.

Watch the video Gaignstar posted. He doesn't completely square up to the wake until he's already in the air. You just need to turn slightly at the top of the wake and focus on popping high.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

Oh and it looks like you're really close. Take some of the advice from this thread and I'll bet you nail it next time out.

WakeBoarder44 · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 1107

you are sooo close to it!!

I like the cool guy in the back; eating chips and have a drink while you are giving the best of yourself... coool...
Laughing

Post a movie when you got it done!

Cool

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

Yeah I wouldnt use the gas pedal until you get comfortable with the trip flip and start sticking them consistently.

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Dec 21, 2004 9:32 am Post subject:

DO NOT edge faster....

Use a lil more of the wake before you trip it. you seem to be leaving a little early. Your losing alot of height which helps. If you had a lil more air time, your body would be prepared for the landing. If you look when you hit the water, you body is still cramped, not relaxed yet...a lil more air, and you'll be sticking them every time. so just puase your trip a split second, get the the TOP of the wake...and you got it my friend, good luck bro

Jumpin Jack Flash · Newbie Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 49 City: H TOWN

Your seriously close. Make sure you stand up tall and not just throwing your head back when you pop. Stand tall and throw your shoulders and head tall and a little back. Using my shoulders helped me out alot. Hope this helps. It's what worked for me.

Let us know when you stick it.

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

I dont think that one guy moved the whole time
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a-ok · Criminal Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 58 City: Tulsa

Thanks for all of the great advice. It will be a few more months before wakeboard season... but as soon as I get out there I'll post a new vid stomping it.

Thanks again,
A

J_DOGG · Posted: Feb 15, 2005 10:02 am Post subject:

The line load you talk about will get less once you time the release better and get used to leaving the wake at the same point consistently.

Lot's of load = still holding edge off wake.

At the top square the shoulders and squeeze the butt cheeks... Mr..Murray advice...

Mr. Mutt · Posted: Feb 17, 2005 11:40 am Post subject:

Caviat - I have not landed a tantrum.

HOWEVER, I have seen many done and landed, so I can comment on what I've seen. The BEST tantrum angle I've seen was on The Book, where the guy was shooting the tantrum take-off from a spotter boat right next to the rider. From this angle, you see how much on the gas the rider gets right at the beginning, because at the wake you are not increasing your speed (cut) like in other tricks, but rather you are kind of slowing down. Think of the takeoff for a tantrum as like you were doing wake surfing or carving. You take a good amount of speed into the wake, then you carv ever so slightly out of the turn (like you were going to slow down and go straight again). Do this while going UP the wake. Provided the speed that you built going into the wake is more than the resistance you are putting into the carv, you will be tripped over the back of the board. This should be enough to carry you over the wake, and the changing of direction (see trip flip), will send you around on the flip. This is NOT a progressive edge manuver in the same sense that a W2W, roll or something. Get on it early and use the momentum to carry you across while you slightly carv out of the wake-ward cut to initiate the trip.

Take it for what it's worth, a guy who's see it but not done it. However, after seeing the book I was like "ahh, there it is." Everything else I've seen in print or on video has all been from the pull. The chase angle makes all the difference.

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Feb 23, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:

*SIDE NOTE* whats up with your bud not watching you. When I ride my friends watch me, and when they ride I watch them...I dunno maybe thats just us?

LFADAM · Posted: Mar 01, 2005 7:05 am Post subject:

Tyler~Moore, haha yea I noticed that too.

a-ok, honestly on a few of those you could just hold on when u butt check and ride it out. Remember if you are under rotating, put the handle at the center of your axis and crunch up a little more in the air. If you are over rotating, stand straighter in the air. (fully extended)

You are so close, just some minor adjustments and you'll stick them no problem.

a-ok · Criminal Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 58 City: Tulsa

Re: the bud not watching.... That video was from the first day I tried the tantrum. It was a weekday, nobody on the lake and we rode from sunup to sundown. I tried about 20 tantrums that day. I think everyone got tired of watching me do the same thing over and over. The downside of that is when I finally landed one that evening, only 2 of the 6 guys in the boat saw it. They'll be watching me stick them all summer this year though.