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| Quote: | BAGHDAD, Iraq (Dec. 21) -- Rockets struck a mess tent at a military base in Mosul where hundreds of U.S. soldiers had just sat down to lunch Tuesday, and a Pentagon official said at least 22 people were killed and 50 were wounded. A radical Muslim group, the Ansar al-Sunnah Army, claimed responsibility.
Dean Hoffmeyer, Richmond Times Dispatch / AP
Smoke from Tuesday's rocket attack hangs over a dining tent at Forward Operating Base Marez in Mosul, Iraq.
The attack came the same day that British Prime Minister Tony Blair made a surprise visit to Baghdad and described the ongoing violence in Iraq as a ''battle between democracy and terror.''
Jeremy Redmon, a reporter for the Richmond, Va., Times-Dispatch embedded with the troops in Mosul, said 13 soldiers were killed in the attack at Forward Operating Base Marez, including two from the Richmond-based 276th Engineer Battalion. More than 50 people were wounded, and civilians may have been among them, he said.
The base, also known as the al-Ghizlani military camp, is used by both U.S. troops and the interim Iraqi government's security forces The identities of the casualties were not known, the Pentagon official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Blair in Baghdad
British Prime Minister Tony Blair made a surprise trip to Iraq to bolster preparations for the nation's Jan. 30 elections. Details
The U.S. Army's Task Force Olympia is based in this predominantly Sunni Muslim city, about 220 miles north of Baghdad.
Amid the screaming and thick smoke in the tent, soldiers turned their tables upside down, placed the wounded on them and gently carried them into the parking lot, Redmon said.
Scores of troops crammed into concrete bomb shelters, while others wandered around in a daze and collapsed, he said.
''I can't hear! I can't hear!'' one female soldier cried as a friend hugged her.
The shelling blew a huge hole in the roof of the tent, and puddles of blood, lunch trays and overturned tables and chairs covered the floor, Redmond reported.
Near the front entrance, troops tended a soldier with a serious head wound, but within minutes, they zipped him into a black body bag, he said. Three more bodies were in the parking lot.
The Ansar al-Sunnah Army claimed responsibility for the attack in a statement on the Internet. It said the attack was a ''martyrdom operation'' targeting a mess hall in the al-Ghizlani camp.
Ansar al-Sunna is believed to be a fundamentalist group that wants to turn Iraq into an Islamic state like Afghanistan's former Taliban regime. The Sunni Muslim group claimed responsibility for beheading 12 Nepalese hostages and other recent attacks in Mosul.
Mosul was the scene of the deadliest single incident for U.S. troops in Iraq. On Nov. 15, 2003, two Black Hawk helicopters collided over the city, killing 17 soldiers and injuring five. The crash occurred as the two choppers maneuvered to avoid ground fire from insurgents.
Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city, was relatively peaceful in the immediate aftermath of the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime last year. But insurgent attacks in the largely Sunni Arab area have increased dramatically in the past year and particularly since the U.S.-led military operation in November to retake the restive city of Fallujah from militants.
Earlier in the day, hundreds of students demonstrated in the center of the city, demanding that U.S. troops cease breaking into homes and mosques there.
Also Tuesday, Iraqi security forces repelled another attack by insurgents trying to seize a police station in the center of the city, the U.S. military said.
On Sunday, insurgents detonated two roadside bombs and a car bomb targeting U.S. forces in Mosul in three separate attacks. Other car bombs Sunday killed 67 people in the Shiite holy cites of Najaf and Karbala.
Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, warned Monday that insurgents are trying to foment sectarian civil war as well as derail the Jan. 30 elections.
During his visit, Blair held talks with Allawi and Iraqi election officials, whom he called heroes for carrying out their work despite attacks. Three members of Iraq's election commission were dragged from the car and killed this week in Baghdad.
''I said to them that I thought they were the heroes of the new Iraq that's being created, because here are people who are risking their lives every day to make sure that the people of Iraq get a chance to decide their own destiny,'' Blair said at a joint news conference with Allawi.
Blair, who has paid a political price for going to war in Iraq, defended the role of Britain's 8,000 troops by referring to terrorism.
''If we defeat it here, we deal it a blow worldwide,'' he said. ''If Iraq is a stable and democratic country, that is good for the Middle East, and what is good for the Middle East, is actually good for the world, including Britain.
Blair, whose trip to Iraq hadn't been disclosed for security reasons, urged Iraqis to back next month's elections.
''Whatever people's feelings and beliefs about the removal of Saddam Hussein, and the wisdom of that, there surely is only one side to be on in what is now very clearly a battle between democracy and terror,'' he said.
Allawi said his government was committed to holding the elections as scheduled, despite calls for their postponement owing to the violence.
''We have always expected that the violence would increase as we approach the elections,'' Allawi said. ''We now are on the verge, for the first time in history, of having democracy in action in this country.''
Blair flew into the Iraqi capital about 11 a.m. aboard a British military transport aircraft from Jordan. A Royal Air Force Puma helicopter flew from Baghdad airport to the city center, escorted by U.S. Black Hawk helicopters.
It was Blair's first visit to Baghdad and his third to Iraq since the dictator Saddam Hussein was toppled in April 2003. Blair visited British troops stationed around the southern Iraqi city of Basra in mid-2003 and in January. President Bush had paid a surprise visit to U.S. troops in Baghdad at Thanksgiving in 2003.
Blair flew to Basra later Tuesday.
The British leader was a key supporter of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq that toppled Saddam. His decision to back the U.S. offensive angered many lawmakers in his governing Labour Party and a large portion of the British public.
In other violence Tuesday, a U.S. jet bombed a suspected insurgent target west of Baghdad. Hamdi Al-Alosi, a doctor in a hospital in the city of Hit, said four people were killed and seven injured in the strike. He said the attack damaged several cars and two buildings. A U.S. military spokesman could not confirm the casualties.
Elsewhere, five American soldiers and an Iraqi civilian were wounded when the Humvee they were traveling in was hit by a car bomb near Hawija, 150 miles north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.
In Baqouba, a city 35 miles northeast of Baghdad, unidentified assailants shot and killed an Iraqi nuclear scientist as he was on his way to work, witnesses said. Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher, a professor at Diyala University, was killed as he drove over a bridge on the Khrisan river. His car swerved and plummeted into the water.
In northern Iraq, insurgents set ablaze a major pipeline used to ship oil to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, a principal export route for Iraqi oil, an official with the North Oil CO. said. Firefighters were on the scene, 70 miles southwest of Kirkuk.
Insurgents have often targeted Iraq's oil infrastructure, repeatedly cutting exports and denying the country much-needed reconstruction money. |
its stuff like this that makes me want the troops to get out of there so we can just nuke the country |
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| No one should walk away after attacking a US base. The article made no reference to what happened to the people who launched the rocket. I assume they escaped... which shouldn't happen. |
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Does the word SWORDFISH mean anything to anyone? 
What a bunch of nutcases. I'd already had more than enough of these "martyrdom operations" for my lifetime when the USS Cole was attacked.
Sadaam is still alive. I say that we announce to the Iraqi people in general--especially the insurgents--that they have 2 days to stop the attacks or we return Sadaam to power and let him deal with the effers.
Sadaam wouldn't have had nearly as much tolerance for these morons who want to turn Iraq into a muslim state. If Sadaam was the one who had been dealing with Fallujah, the entire town would have been gassed.
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| haha NUKE IT NUKE IT |
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| Posted: Dec 21, 2004 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| churchy wrote: | | No one should walk away after attacking a US base. The article made no reference to what happened to the people who launched the rocket. I assume they escaped... which shouldn't happen. |
Motion seconded.
| 03Belmont wrote: | | haha NUKE IT NUKE IT |
I don't know if you're serious or not, but if you are, motion not seconded.
Nuke any city over there and in an instant we become what we are fighting against. We must take the high, hard road in this or we are nothing more than a glorified conquerer. They shouldn't have escaped, that is true; but neither should 100,000+ people die because of it.
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| Posted: Dec 21, 2004 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| churchy wrote: | | No one should walk away after attacking a US base. The article made no reference to what happened to the people who launched the rocket. I assume they escaped... which shouldn't happen. |
but it does. war sucks huh? |
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| Posted: Dec 21, 2004 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Sadaam wouldn't have had nearly as much tolerance for these morons who want to turn Iraq into a muslim state. If Sadaam was the one who had been dealing with Fallujah, the entire town would have been gassed.
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Which is why we were safer with Saddam in power........
Can anyone find this report on a more reputable news service? It isn't written in the standard news style.
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I saw it on nbc this morning
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| Posted: Dec 21, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Can anyone find this report on a more reputable news service? |
| Quote: | | I saw it on nbc this morning |
As far as news sources go anything you see from the USA will be biased. |
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| Posted: Dec 21, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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deepcove, didnt' say it was unbiased, but nbc doesn't make a habit of making up stories.
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| Posted: Dec 21, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| wakeriderof87 wrote: | | deepcove, didnt' say it was unbiased, but nbc doesn't make a habit of making up stories. |
Of course they don't make up stories....my point is even if you get the info from a "reputable" news source ( ie. NBC, CNN etc) it will be biased. |
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agreed
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Well, by now we all know it is a legitimate news story. Horrible. War is horrible.
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"Which is why we were safer with Saddam in power........ "
I really hope you don't mean that. You're starting to sound... ... like me... ...
As long as we have our stuff, it doesn't matter who in the rest of the world does what to others?
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I'm not saying that. WHat I am saying is that Saddam was not a real threat, and he was able to keep these animals in check by being as horrible as they are.
Saddam was strong enough to keep an artificial country composed of several different radical religions and very strong ethnic identies under controll. Now we have severly destabilized the region (not that it was all THAT stable to start), and embroiled ourselves in what will be a decade long occupation.
Now it's Americans, MY people, OUR people, dying over there. For what? The only benefit I can see to this whole debacle is that now other countries know we will invade if we suspect terrorist links. But we accomplished that with Afghanistan. We have shown that we will act on bad intelligence.
Now Americans are dying to bring democracy to a region that is very far from being stable, probably will not be stable within this century. No WMDs. No real active links to terrorists. Ill equiped soldiers. (if only someone in the senate voted "no" on the bill that equipped these soldiers in support of changes to that bill to give them better armor and equipment.....oh wait.....)
So there's this Al Sadr guy, Muslim holy man who was quite a thorn in our side. He is a young, fiercely anti-U.S. Shiite cleric and the head of the Imam Mehdi Army, an armed militia that has waged an intermittent insurgency against U.S. forces in Iraq.
Saddam killed his father, and his uncle was that guy that Saddam lit on fire in one of the "Torture Chamers."
Gee, I wonder why Saddam did that? I've heard some of you advocate doing that to the current Al Sadr.
I'm not defending Saddam. I don't agree with his methods, his philosophy, anything. But he kept this under wraps. Now we've destabilized the country, and all these factions that Saddam supressed are out in full force and determined to cause as much misery for their own people as possible in order to turn them against the US. Why didn't anyone forsee this? Why was the plan for holding the country so poor? Isn't this why GW SR didn't hold the country? Damn, now I'm defending GW senior. Well, that's how it goes, I guess.
We are planning on starting a family in 2 years. I'm actually hoping we only have girls, as I don't want my sons dying in the f'ing desert in 20 years.
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Why was the plan for holding the country so poor?
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IMPO the reason it is such a cluster f*ck and there appears to be no plan is because we(the media, public, government of the US) have no appetite for acts of war. Example; the marine who was going to be charged with murder for killing an Iraqi who was playing dead. You make an omelete you break a few eggs, I would sure rather have the broken eggs be Iraqi citizens then US citizens.
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There are differences between acts of war and attrocities. We stand for something as a country. Are we ready to abandon that? Are we ready to become Saddam?
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Umm Hmmm, Sadam was strong enough to keep them in check, invade four countries, murder tens of thousands... ... He was also such an honest fella that he kept the terms of the cease fire to the letter.
IMO, the ONLY way the US will be "safe" is when all countries have san democratic style elections for their officials.
yep, fewer people died under Sadam!
yes, looking a the negative press when we did Fallujah, there is a serious problem HERE.
House by house, town by town and we can take care of a lot of this. I believe Fallujah wa also a training exercise for the Iraqi troops for after their election.
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We had Saddam effectively contained.
We've also murdered tens of thousands, intentional or not.
Democracy in other countries will not keep us safe either.
We'll see what happens. Honestly, I'm shocked that this didn't happen in Afghanistan.
Are things getting better or worse in Iraq?
Has our investment paid any returns yet?
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I think the investment has paid off. Mroe folks ahve waater and basic utilities. More folks there are actually seeing world news ( dish TV ). More tribes are included in public services ( Kurds didn't get electricity or running water ). The country is selling oil on the public market, not the black market - this equates to having a GNP for Iraq... ... Commercial air lines are flying into Bagdad now IIRC
Let's remember the news is reporting the sensational. Nothing more boring than watching a new water works station open up is there?
It's my understanding the south is actually pretty peaceful and moving forward. Looking at a map, it still seems these problems are in the northern triangle.
I feel that after Iraq has an elected government, we'll see these terrorists classified as state criminals and we'll be able to get a peace force installed there.
These few terrorists are making the news. What percentage of the population is involved in this? 50% 40% 10% 1%? I haven't seen any numbers but I'd suspect less than 8%. A relatively minor set given the whole.
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Ok, whatever you say. Let's revisit this AGAIN in 6 months.
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| cameraboy wrote: | | We've also murdered tens of thousands, intentional or not. |
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Current civilian death toll in Iraq according to a Johns Hopkins study published in The Lancet:
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The invasion of Iraq in March 2003 by coalition forces has lead to the death of at least 100,000 civilians, reveals the first scientific study to examine the issue.
The most common cause of death is as a direct result of violence, mostly caused by coalition air strikes, reveals the study of almost 1000 households scattered across Iraq. And the risk of violent death just after the invasion was 58 times greater than before the war. The overall risk of death was 1.5 times more after the invasion than before.
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Don't have kids CB.
I'll still say the same in 6 months.
In fact, I believe if the rest of the world ( UN POS ) won't take out the insane dictators, we should. Period.
You want to be safe? Mold the world into a safer place.
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 I've never heard that number before. That's definitely more than I would have figured.
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Do you really want to call that "murder?"
I don't agree with the premise for this war either; however, the U.S. does more than any other country to avoid civilian casualties during warfare. Regardless, civilians will die. If you're fighting an urban battle, lots of 'em will die.
The percentage of those involved is irrelevant. It doesn't take a large percentage of the population to fight an effective guerrilla campaign against a conventional force, especially in an urban environment. Unless/until the Iraqi population gets involved, our opponents will continue to have success. They don't need military success to achieve political success. Unless a dentist with a family of four is willing to stick his head out the door and cap that funkin' insurgent in the back as he walks by, they can continue as they're doing indefinitely. I'm not sure the American public is prepared for that commitment, especially given that a significant percentage of the population doesn't think we should be there in the first place.
The war in Iraq was a huge mistake, and we'll suffer the consequences for years, if not decades to come. |
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Don't call them "insurgents". They are thugs, murderers and terrorists.
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....Nutcases, freakshows, whackos, and lunatics......
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| Posted: Dec 22, 2004 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| Leggester wrote: | | Don't call them "insurgents". They are thugs, murderers and terrorists. |
How about revolutionaries? |
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They may be revolting, but they certainly are not revolutionaries...
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I find you revolting, leggester.
Just kidding, I couldn't resist, given the setup.
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sounds good.
What really sucks is that Fuukin Christopher Lloyd wouldn't have pissed off these guys in 1986, none of this crap would have happened in the first place 
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Ouch! I gotta learn to cover my assets better CB.
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"Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
"You're telling me. THey stink on ice!"
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