Canon fires back at Nikon with the 1Ds Mark II

Nephilim · Addict Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Posts: 658 City: Ephrata, WA

Thought some people on here might find this camera intresting. It's the new Canon 1Ds MKII 16.7 megapixels . . .

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=560

oldschoolripper · Outlaw Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 143 City: Tupelo

That'll be a sweet camera! But outa my price range for sure.

wakensurf4life · Posted: Sep 25, 2004 7:57 pm Post subject:

Awesome camera but with only 4fps its not really for sports photography. I gotta try out the new 20d, how do you like yours oldschoolripper?

oldschoolripper · Outlaw Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 143 City: Tupelo

So far REAL NICE! Autofocus is worlds better than Digital Rebel, so is speed, and lots of other things. A much much nicer camera than the digital rebel. There seems to be a lockup issue with 20D's though according to lots of folks on DPreview.com

Mine has locked twice but i popped out the battery and popped it back in and it fires right up.

Heres a link to some pics taken with the 20D

http://www.darwinonline.org/index.php?cat=10183

shelby d

RD · Addict Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 626 City: Discovery Bay

And it's so much lighter than the 1D. I figured I saved about 4 lbs going to 20D's from 1 series bodies! Mine locked up twice too, it's hard to change that battery!

(hahahaha)

Nephilim · Addict Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Posts: 658 City: Ephrata, WA

lol I saw that guy on dpreview thats awsome. i love the knee pads.

Elevation · Posted: Sep 26, 2004 8:03 pm Post subject:

haha wow that dude is hardcore. its hard enough carrying one camera Very Happy

oldschoolripper · Outlaw Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 143 City: Tupelo

Very funny photo RD! I think I saw that guy @ the motorcross track here today in MS, LOL.

He had all nikon gear, though.

shelby

BTW Put the 20D through the dust bowl today @ the motorcross track!

RD · Addict Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 626 City: Discovery Bay

I love the Nikon straps and the hoods all ductaped onto the 300 and 600's.

Shelby: That's a nice pic, how did you meter that shot? The reason I ask is you've got blown out whites on a lot of the rider. I played around with it with the highlite tool in PS CS but the detail is gone. That's a tough shot to meter with the sidelighting on the rider and the darker background. (it's hard to get the guy to stop while you spot meter him!) Smile

It looks like you could have used at least a negative stop of EC and then adjusted the brightness. I recently shot a bunch of boats with shiny reflective surfaces and really had to watch the histogram as the same thing happend to me. Here is a pic from that shoot in which I had to apply a lot of negative EC with the RAW shot and then bring the brightness/contrast back up to keep the detail in the windshield and horn.

Want2ride · Outlaw Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 182 City: Layton, Utah

I really like the looks of your B&W pictures oldschoolripper! I asume you took all of them using the B&W mode in the camera?

oldschoolripper · Outlaw Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 143 City: Tupelo

Want 2 Ride: Shot in Jpeg then converted to B&W with the FREE virtual photographer plugin for PS. I can get you a link if you'd like.

RD: The more I looked @ that pic last night the more i began to hate the blown out highlights. For that shot my friend said man check out 99 he's railing berms like Ricky Carmichael! I turned and shot a burst on him in about 2 sec., that was the last berm on the track on his last lap of his last moto (crap). SO, I have gone back and checked the EXIF on that shot it is:
File Name
IMG_8326.JPG
Camera Model
Canon EOS 20D
Shooting Date/Time
9/26/2004 4:00:55 PM
Shooting Mode
Aperture-Priority AE
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/500
Av( Aperture Value )
3.5
Metering Mode
Center-Weighted Average Metering
Exposure Compensation
+2/3
ISO Speed
200
Lens
70.0 - 200.0 mm
Focal Length
70.0 mm
Image Size
3504x2336
Image Quality
Fine
Flash
Off
White Balance Mode
Auto
AF Mode
AI Servo AF
Parameters Settings
Contrast Standard
Sharpness Standard
Color saturation Standard
Color tone 0
Color Space
sRGB
Noise Reduction
Off
File Size
3802 KB
Custom Function
C.Fn:01-0
C.Fn:02-0
C.Fn:03-0
C.Fn:04-0
C.Fn:05-0
C.Fn:06-0
C.Fn:07-0
C.Fn:08-0
C.Fn:09-0
C.Fn:10-0
C.Fn:11-0
C.Fn:12-0
C.Fn:13-0
C.Fn:14-0
C.Fn:15-0
C.Fn:16-0
C.Fn:17-0
C.Fn:18-0
Drive Mode
Continuous shooting

So what rings out a big RED flag? the EC is +2/3? Is this something I have mistakingly set this way or did the camera +2/3 because of the strong back lighting and center weighted averaging? Would Raw have helped me? Help me out here RD.

Man, I have got to get a copy of PS CS, PS 6 is getting old, plus Adobe released the new Raw plugin today for CS and it supports the 20D raw files.

shelby

oldschoolripper · Outlaw Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 143 City: Tupelo

Good work on the boat pic BTW Rich! That's a tough one.

Josh R · Posted: Sep 27, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject:

Raw would have helped that a lot, as would some of the features in PS-CS. That +2/3 EC is what has blown those highlights out.

oldschoolripper · Outlaw Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 143 City: Tupelo

After going back and checking, I think I must have had the EV set for +2/3 on every shot I took in AV mode! A lesson well learned, I'm glad this was a shoot for fun! This is my second lesson well learned I now know to make sure what ISO I am shooting as well.

I do think most non-photographers don't even notice BLOW-OUTS, however, unless it's a tire or in their Drawers! LOL

Another pic just for fun, I like the sharpness and the eyes the L glass and 20 nailed it here on the focus I think (even though the helmet has a blowout thanks to my DumbA$$)

RD · Addict Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 626 City: Discovery Bay

In aperture priority (AV) mode the top dial controls the aperture and the main dial on the back dials +/- EC. You probably hit that by mistake. I haven't found the 20D's metering to be hot (like the 10D) so I wasn't suprised to see the +2/3rds for that shot. You can't fix all blown highlites in RAW, they'll still be pure white but you could have pulled a bit more detail off the bike/rider. That's a hard shot to meter because your subject isn't standing there for you to get a reading from. I think the best way to deal with shots like that is to start with 0 EC, (you can see your EC level in the VF) shoot and check the histogram. Shiny bright reflections if over exposed will show up as a spike on the rightside. If you see a spike, start dialing negative EC until it's gone. Here is the histogram for that first shot you posted, you can see the spike on the right - those are blown whites.

RD · Addict Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 626 City: Discovery Bay

Shelby:

Suggestion: Set custom function 8 to setting 1, that enables ISO 3200.

RD

Want2ride · Outlaw Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 182 City: Layton, Utah

oldschoolripper, If you could post the link for the B&W plug-in here or PM it to me I would really appreciate it!!

oldschoolripper · Outlaw Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 143 City: Tupelo

RD-Thanks dude, learning new stuff everyday! I really appreciate all your help.

Want2ride- http://www.optikvervelabs.com/
(it's a lot of fun if you are a PS newb like me)