Sanger - v210 or v215

[Wake Pimp]

Hey. I like what I hear and have - based on budget - narrowed my selection to Sanger. Has anyone done a real world comparison of the v210 and the v215? Based on what I've read, the 210 may have a better wake, but the 215 is a little bigger. Any other major decision points?

Thx in advance.

[pedboydan]

get the 215/ I have a 210 and even though it is an awesoem boat, it can get a little crowded if we have friends over. There are people that live across the street from me that just upgraded to a 215 and they like it a lot more than their previous 210.

[BTB Preston]

My Uncle has the 210 and I should have my 215 in a couple weeks. Just by what I compared at the dealer I liked the 215 better. I almost wish I would have just bought one they had in stock instead of ordering a custom one, the wait is killing me but should be well worth it.

I really like my uncles 210 though, his doesn't have any ballast and the wake is still really decent for beginner to intermidiate riders. I ordered the tripple ballast on mine though.

Both boats use the same hull, the 215 is a heavier boat so I don't know why it would make a better wake than the 210. Though the 210 is suppose to be a better wakeboarding boat, I think the 215 is going to be awsome. It has got more room and a couple other features that set it apart from the 210. If you do go with the 210, be sure to get the Black Scorpion Motor, that way you get the flat swim deck insead of the hill.

Either way you won't be dissapoionted, I have been on my uncle boat for the last to years and love it, I just needed the extra little room that the 215 has.

[NVSAirWarrior]

I don't claim to know for a fact but I would be very surprised to learn that the 215 and the 210 are the same hull. I have seen both and if I were say the 215 looks like any other sanger I'd say it looks like a downsized 230, but certainly not a 210.
Can someone clarify this?
I'd have to say if I were in the market (probably should be with 875 hours) I would consider the 215 ahead of the 210 but like was said already, both are great boats.
Good luck

[scott a]

the V-210 and V-215 have different hulls. im not sure on the specifics, but i DO know that chavez y chavez knows quite a bit about this topic. hopefully he will chime in...

i have ridden behind both the V-210 and V-215, and i would definitely get the V-215. it felt like a much more substantial boat even though its only a few inches wider and longer. then again, i was on a choppy lake in the V-215, and ive been on the V-210 only on the delta where the water is pretty flat all the time...take this info for what you will.

[Wake Pimp]

Thanks everyone for the input. The reviews that I read said that the 210 had a steeper wake (which I prefer) and the 215 was rampier. For those that have ridden both, can you confirm?

And Chavez - if you're out there, if we can put our NBA team favorites aside, I would really appreciate your input on this topic.

[chavez]

Wake Pimp, ok fine!

The 210 does have a steeper wake, can get fairly huge, and is narrower (w2w) than the 215 - BUT - the 210 has a much lower freeboard, which means that when you sack this thing to the gills its gonna be a whole lot closer to the water. I'm not saying you are gonna swamp it, but it may cause concern with more nervous folk.

The 215 on the other hand does have a somewhat rampier wake, but it can be built up to OMFG levels - and the freeboard is much higher so weighting this thing down will not be a problem. The 215 has a nicer interior, with more padding here and there, which the ladies will appreciate. It is very large inside, but still maintains only a 96" beam, which kicks ass because you don't end up with a super wide w2w. You can seat 10 or more in the thing, and EVERYONE will have a cupholder. There is space, space, and more space to store miscellaneous crap (or stereo equip ).

Other notes: The 210 does well in chop. The 215 does frickin awesome in chop. The 210 handles damn near like a D-drive. The 215 ain't too far behind. The 215 also has a nifty swim platform design - it is tucked up under a lip to keep the fumigation down below.

If I were making the decision, I would look at two factors: budget and use. If the budget is not an issue, then I would look at usage. If my primary usage was on rivers/delta that remains relatively calm, and I was only taking 3-7 people out at a time, the 210 would probably fit the bill. If primary use was lakes/open water where chop could be a concern, and/or I was regularly bringing 7-12 people along (and all their crap) I would definitely look at the 215 only.

Either boat will provide more than adequate wake and pull. Sangers are bad ass boats - quality first volume second.

Remember everyone, this is just my $0.02

[Wake Pimp]

Chavez - thanks for the info. there's a guy here in MI that has a loaded 2004 210 (p.p., front and rear ballast, heater, other extras i can't recall) it has 12 hours on it and he says it would normally sell for $46 and he's selling it for 38,900. does that sound like a good deal?

he says he'll probably only get about 10-12 sangers/season

[i36hyperlite]

how much does a nicely loaded v215 cost out the door these days? 45-46k?
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full melt hash

[chavez]

Wake Pimp, 210? or 215? The 215's are about 44-46 OTD with all that. (like I36 said) A new 210 loaded to the gills should be about 38~ish. I don't know of anyone who paid more than 40k for a 210. Most people (options varying mind you) pay closer to 35-36 for a well equipped 210.

He only gets 10-12 a season because they only produce about 400 total boats a year. This year (04) only 112 V215's were made IIRC.

[Wake Pimp]

oops. sorry. it's the 210 for 39ish. when i get home from work i can verify the options that he said it had. that's what i thought. i expected the 210 to be in the mid-30s (comparable to a mobe lsv in price). so it definitely sounds like this isn't a GREAT deal for a 210. problem is i think he said he's one of only two sanger dealers east of the mississippi.

[chavez]

Wake Pimp, no, it definitely doesn't sound like a great deal.

[Wake Pimp]

Chavez - here's the message i got from the dealer:

Thank you for your recent interest in Sanger boats. Your web inquiry showed that you were interested in our V drives. We currently have a V210 as our demo boat that is for sale. This boat is fully loaded with front and rear ballast tanks, heater, perfect pass, JVC stereo system, wake tower, and a ride plate. Normally this boat would go for $46,000 but we are currently offering it at $39,000. It only has about 12 hours of use, so the engine has just been broken in. Feel free to contact us for additional information.

[scott a]

hmm that sounds about $10K higher than it should be. on TOP of that, its a DEMO boat. who knows what they did for that 12 hours...probably sack the SHT out of it and ride behind it knowing full well they are just gonna sell it to someone else...

i would say F that. you can get a wakesetter vlx for $46K haha

[Nor*Cal]

The dealer in Sac made me a better deal than that and I wasn't even in the market for a new boat...

[chavez]

Wake Pimp, basically what ScottA said... Also, just because this guy doesn't get a whole lot of Sangers doesn't give him a free pass to rip you off. I'm sure there are plenty of dealers out this way who would give you a far better deal and ship the thing to you.

Just ask ralph, dude had the boat + trailer shipped all the way to New Zealand (V210)

[Ralph]

Yeah, the guy is giving you the mushroom treatment if he's telling you a V210 normally goes for mid 40's. Talk to Mark from Semper Speed Marine or the guys at CVM, they will cut you a real deal. I paid mid 30's for mine with all the main options except ballast & stereo. Get it shipped, I have had zero problems with mine in 150 hrs and any mercruiser mechanic can service it for you.

I can't help you with the 215 vs 210 question, I LOVE my V210, I'm sure the V215's will be dope too.

[Bruky]

Central Valley Marine for sure! west coast boarder and I both bought our boats from them, and I think they are spectacular as far as service goes. I saw some nice 215's there when we bought our SAN in the low-mid 40's.

[Wake Pimp]

Can you guys give me dealers' numbers so I can contact them and see what kind of arrangement they can propose to save me some jack$$$?

[scott a]

well live that up because i was told that central valley marine is dropping sanger soon...so you might wanna call and find out what the deal is with that.

[chavez]

scott a, sounds like the dealership ain't too bright or they aren't paying Sanger on time and Sanger is dumping them. It also could be pressure from those a$$holes at CC to carry only their ski/wake boats.

Wake Pimp, here are some links & numbers for you.

http://www.cvmarine.com/
http://www.deltasportboats.com/index1.html
Semper Speed & Marine Madera CA 559 436-1888

[Wake Pimp]

thanks chavez.

[Duramax Dually]

Wake Pimp,
I bought my V210 WakeBoard Series from Semper Speed and Marine in Madera. I bought it towards the end of the season late Oct 2003. It came with almost everything except PP (Clarion CD player, Amp, 8 speakers, Proflight tower,Custom Gelcoated graphic package, 350 MPI Merc 310 HP, Tri colored matching Bimini top, Pop up SST cleats, Depth gauge, Front Ballast, Custom V/M trailer with swing out tongue and disc brakes. They also threw in the fitted cover, 4 matching fenders and all the safety gear. I purchased the boat for a tremendous amount less than what they are quoting you. I was in the very very low 30's less of course California's raping for sales tax.

I looked at and drove both the V210 and V215. I agree 100% with Chavez's comments and notes. We are a family 4(routinely have 6) and this boat is perfect for us. Anymore than 7 and the V215 is the better boat for space. In the V210 we have plenty of room for everbodies gear and it drives exceptionally well. Ironically everbody seemed to like the 'Hill" over the motor. The water an off nicer and made it easier to slide around. That obviously is a personal preference. I do not go to the Delta at all, we use it on lakes only and it has no issue tolerating the afternoon chop of any lake. Follow Chavez assessment about useage and you will be fine.

Just my .02 cents from a Sanger owner

[Bruky]

scott a, I heard rumors about that also, but also heard that it wasn't going to be till '07 when they dropped the Sanger line. From the looks of it, they move out a lot more Nauti's than Sanger's. I've been there a few times, and I often see the same Sanger sitting on the lot while the Nautiques are off by the next time I show up. This is surprising because there are 3 Sanger dealerships within 20 minutes of where I live, and they have those things scootin' off the lot in no time flat.

Wake Pimp, we have 2 family friends that own V-210's and in the choppy water at our closest lake, they put our SAN in the dust as far as ride quality goes. Turning is noticably better as well, but we noticed that when you have anything over 2500 lbs in that boat, the freeboard gets low enough to scare you. Water is always coming over the bow, about as much as ours when weighted with about 3.5k. The freeboard did scare our other friends away from the V-210 because they have smaller kids, but isn't really that much to worry about if you don't.

BTW, Wake Pimp, if you end up getting the V-210, we got some killer weighting config's if you need 'em. Just shoot me a PM anytime, I'd be glad to help out.

[Wake Pimp]

thanks everyone for the input. so it sounds like this guy's prices are way too high. so my next question is how much would it be to ship one cross-country?

[scott a]

chavez-y-chavez, speaking of v-210s, i'll be camping out at lake mc clure w/ the cie boys this weekend if you wanna drop by for a day or two...

Bruky, how much weight do your friends stick in their 210s?

[chavez]

scott a, hmm.... McClure you say....

[Bruky]

scott a, one doesn't use anything but the stock ballast and on average about 5-6 people, but the other is using about 1800 in ballast and lead and then 5-6 people.

[Ralph]

Where abouts does he put the 1800 pounds?

[wakedude47]

I run 1000lbs plus 8 people in V210 and the wake looks BIG. The boat still has plunty of power out of the hole for this big guy. The week we spent up at shasta we had 1000lbs of ballist and 12 people and a dog. The boat had plunty of room for all of us and the wake was OH MY GOD

[Ralph]

1800 pounds + 11 peeps was the most we have had. Wake was not for the faint hearted.

[Bruky]

Ralph, no it's not! Those 210's have the same potential as our SAN as far as wake goes. That thing was massive and had such a great pop off the top...I can not even explain how great that wake was. I was actually jealous of it...but anywho, my only complaint was how bad the bowwash was. I was totally frightened of getting swamped in the moderate-bigger chop.

[seaexplore]

we just bought a 2004 V230 and we love it. We originally looked at the V210 but it was too small for our needs. We wanted a boat we could take out on the delta and have it handle fabulously. I've been boarding behind it and it's totally comparable to a centurion Avalanche. I absolutely love it. We paid $45K for it all said and done (tax, license and everything)- it came with a tower, 2 board racks, kenwood CD and speakers and a bimini and all the safety crap. If you want size (seats 12 and it's comfy) and still a good wake for beginning/intermediate this is it. It's actually bigger than the centurion and priced out at the same. It was only $3K more than the V210 at the dealer we went to. They sold out of V215's. I don't want to hear we got ripped off on this boat (I can pretty much guess we did).

[chavez]

seaexplore, you didn't get ripped off. That price is about average for a 230 with those options. Basically you have a V215 with an extra 1.5ft in the middle. This extra length does add width to the wake but if you need the extra room it is worth it.

PS: If you live in the Springs, why are you driving all the way to the Delta to ride? Why not put in morning sets on Hogan and bail before the wallys get there?

[J-Ro]

Speaking of McClure...We were there last weekend and rode behind Steve Wurf's new V230....huge wake but pretty wide. Great looking boat too! He was telling us about the new tower system they're putting on....178db

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