Landing blind

blndside088 · Outlaw Joined: 22 Jul 2003 Posts: 110 City: South Carolina

ok, i really need help landing blind. I can co a crowmobe, and get the full rotation, but i cant land it because i cant pass the handle fast enough or land blind. i tried cutting outside the wake and just wrapping up and trying to ride blind but it just spins me back around switch. I am leaning forward and look down and back, and other ideas?

Fredrick Eisenhauer · Posted: Jul 06, 2004 5:09 am Post subject:

Can you do switch ts bs 180's to blind? Because that is the same landing. Get really consistant with those.

SB_Boarder · Posted: Jul 06, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject:

i have the same proplem, i cant even ride blind without being pulled back around...really frustrating

Brandon Lee · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 532 City: Atlanta

keep it close to your back and look straight behind you. it just takes time.

loomosity · Outlaw Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

Just keep practicing. Its awkward. Practice a little bit each run riding blind as the boat gets up to speed or, even better, take a whole set doing it. Keep your front hand on the rope and slowly let it off. When you feel yourself get pulled out, grab the rope with your front hand again. Repeat, but do it longer each time. The more you do it, the easier it gets.

Other than that, I think if you're getting pulled out, it means your toe edge isn't weighted enough. Knees bent and over toes, chest over knees, look back away from the boat.

This will also help on simple, but effective, moves such as grabbing b/s 180's longer, and switch and regular toe 3's with better grabs. Also makes tannys to b and crow mobes that much more doable...if you can't even ride wrapped, what are the odds you're going to land wrapped after a big tanny, crow, spin, etc.

People always want to short cut to the finish line, including me, but this skill is well worth the investment in practicing. Practice makes perfect....

MichaelB · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 122

wakeboarder_360 · Posted: Jul 12, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject:

loomosity, does riding blind a whole set really help much. One of the people I ride with have been taking like 3 sets a day riding blind but can cut around easy like that. Does doing this really help greatly?

MichaelB · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 122

Growik,

Please explain how you can do a ts bs 180 and land blind.

To land blind you land on your ts edge. If you are starting off ts, how do you do a 180 and still land ts?

Yes that would be a new one.

MichaelB · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 122

bs = backside spin not blind
fs = frontside spin

blind is a landing position not a way to rotate.

Even if what you said was correct, this would offer absolutely no help for a crow mobe.

wakeboarder_360 · Posted: Jul 13, 2004 6:35 am Post subject:

the landing is the same for landing a ts fs 3 without passing the handle

MichaelB · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 122

Whatever...

You can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink...

A blind trick is only if you land in the blind position. If you do a HS BACKSIDE 180 and pass the handle it is not a BLIND 180.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

"to blind" would imply a trick that was done and add a bs 180 to the end. Such as tantrum to blind or backroll to blind.

blind side would be the direction of the spin. blindside = backside.

Saying a 180 to blind would be either a shifty or a 360. Saying a blindside 180 would be the same as a backside 180.

I think by saying "to blind" he means wrapped. You should have said. A switch bs 180 landing wrapped or something.

ODB · Criminal Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 54 City: ATL

Blind is not a rotation, it is a landing position. Its called "blind" because when you land, you are facing away from the boat, and away from the wakes, which makes it hard to see where you are landing, hence the name.

Rotating backside is just that, backside, be it 180, 3 or 5, TS or HS. You CANNOT land on our TS edge blind. If you do a TS BS 180, you land HS, and neccessarily facing the boat. So it is not blind.

But hey, if you want to insist on being wrong, by all means, keeping landing Blind HS on your Parks.

damn, one minute too late, anyway...

MichaelB · Outlaw Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 122

No problem, I think a lot of people think of backside spins as blind spins...

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

Oohhh, there's a discrepancy. Wakeboarder shows blind to be landing in the wrapped position and says that blindside does not equal backside.

Wakeboarding mag says that landing wrapped does not mean landing "blind" and that blindside = backside.

check it out
wakeboardingmag.com -> moves -> beginner ->term proficiency.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

well a wrapped landing isn't necessarily blind either. You can land wrapped and be facing the boat...

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 13, 2004 8:41 am Post subject:

BS 180 with handle pass = BS 180
BS 180 with NO handle pass = Blind 180.

Same trick but big difference in the skill set required to land the two!

loomosity · Outlaw Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

Here's a link from a discussion a few months back that kind of gets at this debate. I've changed my mind a little from my response posted previously. Landing blind is an acceptable term for landing wrapped (although I'd prefer landing wrapped to avoid confusion with backside v. blind). Plus, I still think you are really "landing blind" no matter whether you pass the handle early or land wrapped because it is hard to spot your landing as you have to look away from the boat and the direction you are traveling...

I do disagree with the blind 180 v. backside 180 from above. No matter what it is a backside 180. Blind = at most a description of the landing...i.e., backside 180 with a blind landing. Incidentally, one of my buddies told me that the announcers at the Reno tour stop at the XGames qualifier was calling backside 3's as blindside 3's...just to show you that the damage from early mislabeling lingers on....enjoy:

http://forums.wakeboarder.com/viewtopic.php?t=20646&highlight=blind+wrapped+half+cab

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Jul 13, 2004 10:39 am Post subject:

BS and blind are not the same. Backside is where your back faces the boat the first part of the spin. Blind is landed wrapped.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

Tyler~Moore, wakeboardingmag.com says they are the same.

loomosity · Outlaw Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

well, then, wakeboardingmag.com is wrong. not the first time and certainly not the last.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

loomosity, maybe you're wrong. I'd trust WBM over a bunch of 15 year olds.

Landing wrapped shouldn't mean landing blind because you can land wrapped and be facing forward... or not blind. Landing blind shouldn't just be landing with your back facing the boat. That would make a hs fs 180 landing blind... You could say yeah I did a 180 to blind and be doing a hs 180 wow...

loomosity · Outlaw Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

Good point on the landing wrapped, but under my theory you are only "blind" if you are landing in that position off a heelside b/s 180 (switch or regular) or a toeside f/s 3 (switch or regular). Or variation thereof (hs b/s 5, 9, etc.) (ts f/s 3, 7, etc.).

When I do a heel b/s 180 or a switch f/s toe 3, the landings feel the same. Or a switch b/s 180 and a regular toe f/s 3. Same feeling on the landing. But, technically a different rotation (frontside and backside). Alls I'm saying is I feel like I'm coming down blind when I'm landing (or lately sliding out) "blind"/"wrapped"/whatever on my toe f/s 3's. But, that's a frontside spin. You do the math.

I agree with you that you can land wrapped on say a heel f/s 3 (very hard) or a heel f/s mobe (if you're Erik Ruck) or a toe front roll to blind (if you're Rusy Malinski). In those cases, you are not blind. I think any confusion would be avoided, though, because people who understand the trick would understand how you landed when you say "I landed wrapped" (i.e., facing the boat or facing away). In other words, you can't land a toeside f/s 3 or a crow mobe wrapped and not be facing away from the boat. Likewise, you couldn't land a heel f/s 3 or a heel f/s mobe wrapped and not be facing the boat.

Trust WBM if you want to...alls I know is that labeling the spinning direction by blindside was specifically disavowed by one of their editors in a great article about 6 years ago, they have for the past 10 years consistently (although not so much these days) mislabled grabs, and the staff there is probably closer to 15 than many of the posters on this site. Go throw that blind 3!

loomosity · Outlaw Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

wakeboarder_360,

Hey, sorry, I've been spending all my time ranting instead of actually constructively helping. My bad.

Yes, it does help to practice riding in the wrapped/blind/whatever position. It also helps to do bunny hop b/s 180's and land wrapped/blind/whatever. Then, it helps to do one-wake or inside out b/s 180's and land wrappend/blind/whatever.

WHen you can do all those, take it to the wake. I had a good skill set when I took to doing a full set of riding blind/wrapped/whatever. I could do regular and switch b/s 180's, toe 3's, switch toe 3's, etc. I would occasionally land blind/wrapped/whatever but would usually slide out if I didn't pass the handle in the air or as I landed. This made it hard to grab. After one set of working on these skills by doing b/s 180's switch and regular inside-out, I was landing blind/wrapped/whatever wake-to-wake somewhat consistently. I still fall on these -- its hard -- but I'm a lot better having taken the time to work on the skill on the water rather than on the landing.

If your skill set is solid -- you are comfortable on your board and can do some 180's and stuff -- then you are ready. If not, work on your skill set and then, when ready, build up from the bottom. Good luck.

Brandon Lee · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 532 City: Atlanta

you can do ts bs 180s and land without passing the handle; they are just very uncommon and more difficult. My brother does switch heelside 3s and lands "wrapped" or whatever and doesnt pass the handle, which is the same landing as a ts bs 180.

wakeboarder_360 · Posted: Jul 13, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject:

loomosity, I can do quite a bit of tricks like tantrums, crows, backrolls, 3s, ts fs 5 and couple more the only reason I am interested is I want to learn a tantrum to blind after my whirly. thanks for the help! I just found it wierd that he was riding blind for whole sets. I have so many tricks to try and not enought time to do them. Confused