What's the latest on MB Sports products?

Stretch · Newbie Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 26 City: Corbin, KY, USA

The 220V would be my choice. I have much better service options for PCM than Indmar and I don't want a Correct Craft.

chaz28o · Posted: Jun 11, 2004 7:26 am Post subject:

I'm going with the B52 - should be finished next week - fingers crossed!!!

melissa123 · Outlaw Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 101 City: Princeton

So then what are you asking? You dont want INDMAR, so that rules out Mastercraft, Malibu, Supra, and Moomba, You dont want Correct Craft, so whats the question then? Tige uses Mercruiser, and so does Sanger, are you asking opinions on MB? or what?

Sean

NAW · Posted: Jun 11, 2004 7:55 am Post subject:

IMO, MB's B-52 is a sweet ride. They look great, handle like all the other V-Drives, great attention to detail, wake is good, etc, etc.

Only drawback is the price they are going for in the Midwest.

Stretch · Newbie Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 26 City: Corbin, KY, USA

Melissa, I am asking the members of this forum for their valued opinions about MB Sports boats, in particular the MB 220V. I am considering MB Sports because they are PCM-powered and I have much more convenient service options for PCM where I live than for Indmar. Any other questions?

King of the Tigers · Posted: Jun 11, 2004 8:42 am Post subject:

I've never ridden behind one but I think they have the worst looking dash of any wake boat manufacturer out there.

I have a friend who competed in a bunch of the local competitions last year. He liked the wake on every boat (They used a different manufacturer each time) but the B52. However, lots of the people on these boards think it's great.

thepizzacritic · Posted: Jun 11, 2004 11:10 am Post subject: ride it.

I went with the b52. there are alot of options that come standard with the package. I was calling MB for months even before they had a dealer up by me. I was glad when they moved them in only 30 min from my house. If you are ever up in MI give me a call and we'll ride.
i never rode behind the 220V . sorry

Stretch · Newbie Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 26 City: Corbin, KY, USA

The MB Sports warranty is pretty strong:

Warranty
When you buy a new boat, you buy the company that built it. At MB Sports, we stand behind our product like no one else. Your boat is covered by the most comprehensive and generous factory warranty there is; that is simply because we are confident in what we build. We think owning a boat from MB Sports should be as enjoyable as driving one. Compare our warranty to that of ANY other boat builder, and you’ll agree: MB Sports backs up their products better than anyone else.

Hull Lifetime (transferable) Upholstery 5 years
Deck Lifetime (transferable) Carpet 5 years
Exhaust System Lifetime Composite Swim Step 5 years
Anodized Hardware Lifetime Engine/Drivetrain 3 years
Instruments 5 years Gel Coat 3 years
Blister Free 5 years

melissa123 · Outlaw Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 101 City: Princeton

Stretch...

Sorry was just rying to get aroung the reasons for the question. I had the please ure of riding behind a 2002 B52V quiet a few times last year. The boat was constructed extremley well, but so are most of the wakeboas these days. Here is Dallas the dealer pulled the line so warranty items may get to be an issue here. A few things to note, I know they changed the hull for 2004 (eliminated the spray pockets) bu the wake on the 02 w/2000 pounds of ballast was small and very odd shaped. It had sort of a table top effect. The boat seemed to over react to weight distribution. The wake was very very soft for that amount of weight as well. This particular B52 had PP CRUISE and not PRO and it could not keep speed at all. My pulls would range from 16mph to 31mph. Not a fault of the boat, but make sure you get PP Wakeboard pro and not cruise for this boat. One other mention, the ballast pumps were so loud that you could not talk in the boat while filling or empting.

Sean

davidgree1 · Newbie Joined: 15 Apr 2003 Posts: 29

What happens if the only dealer in your area either drops the mb line or goes out of business? Where do you get warranty work done?

Bruky · Guest

davidgree1, if it is on the engine, you would get it done at any other dealership that sells/deals with boats that have the PCM engine in it.

Stretch, just curious as to why you don't want a Correct Craft. 2004 B-52 Teams with all options are going for 44k out the door around here on the central coast of Cali(NAW, that is reguarding your comment of them being overpriced.), and we still went with a CC even though the CC dealer was about 350 miles from our house, and the MB dealer about 15 minutes. The 2004 MB's wake was still far too soft for my liking, and I didn't find the 2000+ lbs of ballast to do much, simply because they have to put so much foam in the boat to allow it to pass California Coat Guard(?) laws or something...I really did love the idea of a 2 speed though, and wish our boat had one in it for the loads of weight it has to haul. I think the $44k MB is on the same plane as far as durability/quality goes on the SAN. I actually think the MB is better looking, and the interior is much better than our SAN's as far as functionality, looks, and roominess go, but the wake just kind of "scared" us away. Laughing

If you aren't one picky little bassturd about the wake shape and overall feel, feel 100% confident going with an MB. Great boat, and they just look plain sexy Surprised

Ralph · Posted: Jun 14, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject:

Foam in the boat has zero to do with how much ballast is required to sink it.

Bruky · Guest

Well isn't it an opposing force to the ballast? I don't see how the foam doesn't make it float. If there wasn't something else in the boat keeping it afloat the 2k+ of ballast would seem to have a much larger effect. Neutral

You lost me man...

Ralph · Posted: Jun 15, 2004 12:04 am Post subject:

No, foam only has an effect once the boat is filled with water and water is pouring over the sides ie sinking. Foam only floats in water not in air, so it only has a lifting effect once it is under water, ie it serves to keep the boat afloat only after the boat is half sunk. The B52 is a massive boat, 22 foot long & 96" wide, thats why 2100 pounds of ballast doesn't have as much effect as it would in a SAN for instance. Also the design on a hull has a huge impact on the wake it puts out, how much lift is inbuild to the hull design is critical.

Bruky · Guest

But when you say "half full" of water, are you talking weight wise or volume wise, because with the boat weighing 3000 lbs, even the smaller 1600lb ballast system would be putting the foam into effect, and if what you say is true, after 1500 lbs of ballast has been filled, however much additional weight you put into the boat really only has half of the effect as earlier (1600lbs=1550, 2100=1800, etc...). I am probably totally off, and know nothing about the physics of boyancy, water, etc, but that would make sense to me.

Hyperryd · Addict Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 604 City: Central Cali

There is no foam in an MB, so the question is dead. Some boats use foam as structure filler as a cost cutting step, MB does not.

Bruky · Guest

Hyperryd, with that taken into consideration, why does the hull not react to such a large amount of weight like any other boat of equal size?

DJew Jake · Posted: Jun 15, 2004 2:36 pm Post subject:

Are you guys crazy? FOAM HAS NO EFFECT ON COUNTER ACTING BALLAST if anyting it acts as ballast since foam is heavier then air!!! having a hull full of air floats better then ahull full of foam. Foam just allows the boat to not sink if it fills with water because GUESS WHAT FOAM IS! foam is air tiny little bubbles sorrounded by plastic.

Hyperryd · Addict Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 604 City: Central Cali

Wakeupdude, I don't really know why you think the MB doesn't react to the ballast. Mine sinks down nicely and the wake gets huge and is very firm. It may not have the same shape as a SAN, but the rear end of the boat is alot wider that the SAN. The boat is alot bigger in general that a SAN. The shape of the hull and how much water it displaces is what makes a wake. The SAN is probably the best hardcore wakeboard boat on the market when it comes to wake shape, but it is also a little bit small for my taste. MB didn't sacrifice storage room inside the boat for wake shape, bottom line. For those of us that haul tons of people and stuff, while wakeboarding that is a good thing. There is a reason there are so many boats on the market. Everybody has different needs.
MB builds a beautiful boat with awesome quality. I say go take a test drive with the boat loaded with people and ballast. Take off with the two speed. You will love how much sense it makes to have two gears in a wakeboard boat. Good luck.

Bruky · Guest

Hyperryd, you still didn't answer my question though, you gave me advice on what to look for in buying a new boat though...what I wanted to know is why do other boats of the same size (SSV, Sangers) react so much more to so much weight? If I put 2100 lbs into a Sanger v230, the wake would grow a lot more than the MB's. The 2100lbs on the MB acts as a stock 700-900lb ballast system would on most other boats. I am not dissing your boat by any means, but I am just stating what the boat did when we demoed it. The weight just didn't affect is much, and boat seemed really boyant. There is something keeping that boat from sinking as much with that much weight in it. aFramer may be correct, but the way he said that doesn't make sense. Ballast is water, and when a boat fills up with water over the freeboard, it is going to have the same effect as the stock ballast because it is going to first go into the bilge, where the 2100lbs of ballast is located. I could be completely wrong about all of this, but it only seems right from what I have seen and experienced in the B-52's and other boats. Note I'm not comparing it to a SAN because that is a much smaller/narrower boat and I do know that it is a lot easier to sink.