Defcon III or Bullet 261

luv_ya_blue · Newbie Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 22

I'm having a hard time deciding what to get. I need help!!

Defcon has 2-Pioneer 6.5 k series

Bullet has 2-Polk 6.5

I think they'll both be good, however the bullets are a couple hundred dollars more.

Any suggestion???

thanks

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

how about buying the cheapest pair for the cans, and going to circut city and getting the speakers you want for less $ and selling the ones that come in the cans???

thats my thought though!!!

luv_ya_blue · Newbie Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 22

wow, sneaky I like that...too much work, plus I don't trust myself....I just wanted a few comments from the audio experts here, then I will pull the trigger.

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

how hard is removing 6 screws and replacing them, plus you can take the empty cans to either there or to an audio store and they should put a few different pairs in and let you try them for no cost extra.....

but if you absolutly have to have one of the aformentioned sets, i would go with the polk...they are (in my opinion) better speakers...

when i use to run my old store, i had a representitive come out and compare them to bose, and with the comparison it made for alot of sales, of course that was a few yerars back also....so alot of stuff has changed since then

or if your into tradition, look how long pioneer has been in buisness, they have a reputible company, and have had for a long time!!!

it is really a personal prefrence...

how much wattage are you gonna put on them?

luv_ya_blue · Newbie Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 22

Well, I have no audio knowledge what so-ever, that's why I have the shop install and wire everything...maybe someday.

I was thinking of going for at least 100-150 amps per speaker. I guess either wire speakers together for 2 ohms and go for 2 channel 550 or 600 amp. or go 4 channel 600 +. I was thinking of the kicker kx550.2 or maybe pheonic gold ti600.2 for 2 ohm.

There you go my max. audio knowledge...I'm tapped now

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

WOW!!! yeah you need some work on that!!!

first things first, its wattage not amps,
second, you cant just put 600 watts to a speaker in 2 ohms, it dosent work likt that...

let me break it down for you:

1) decide the quality of the noise we all call music you like to listen to, pick your speakers based on the clarity at loud volumes...you dont want to hear a buzzing noise with say....50+ watts at it, it needs to soud just like it does at half volume, when its all the way up

2) once you have chosen the set of speakers you like, check the "RMS" power rating, then stay around 5 watts under that

example, polks would say 80 watts RMS nominal, it means you should push 75 watts to that speaker, if it says 80 watts RMS, and 120 watts max, it means it is ok to OCCASIONALLY!!! go above 80 watts for just for a few sec, and constant wattage over that will blow the voice coil...hence no more speaker!!!!

3) once you have choosen your speaker set up, decide the number of speakers you would like to run, be it 2 4, or 10....then decide on an amp for that amount..

4) When you read people putting a set of speakers at 2 ohms, it means they are combining 2 speakers that are rated at 4 ohms together on the same channel...... or 2 pair of 8 ohms, makes it 4 ohms, ect ect.....

now once you have the number of speakers carefully thought out, you are ready to choose your AMP....I without any question tell you to stay 5 watts under the RMS power rating for your benefit, i dont want you running out and spending $200 for a set of speakers every 2 weeks........although most good companys will tell you they are safe at that level, i recomend all my peeps to stay right at or 5 watts under, for your pocketbook!!!

that should pretty much sum up the speakers...

now for amps:

1) Carefull consideration should be used to determine the right amp for the application....

things to think about: money, safety( where you gonna put it, and will it be steel free), power at 12.5 volts (unless you want a capacitor for 14 volts), brand ( some are better than others, but no one knows who the best is, its all opinions), just to name a few

once you have gotten the number and brand of speakers you plan on using, you can decide weather to go with a 2 channel, or a 4 channel, if you are planning on using coaxials ( meaning that the little tiny speaker "tweeter" is mounted on the big speaker) then I recomend a good 100 watt x 2 amp it is 2 channels, and you can turn the gain to 3/4 of the way up and be safe with it, or perhaps a 75 by 2 and play around and feel safe ( again depends on the power handling characteristics of the speakers) or using seperates ( meaning there are 2 seperate speakers for the set up with a passive crossover to seperate the frequencies) which in that case i recomend the same as above for the amp......now that is if you are only gonna run 1 pair of speakers on your tower off the amp, and nothing else

or
if you plan on running the tower speakers AND the inside speakers, you can decide to go with a 4 channel amp....

as you can read there is alot of thought that should be put in place when deciding these factors for the "proper" set of speakers

you dont want to spend $1000.00 for a system that sounds like stuff cause it isnt planned properly...

Dees · Posted: Apr 08, 2004 5:43 am Post subject:

Our Deafcons has Kickers 6.5 k series in them not Pioneer

Calabria man · Posted: Apr 08, 2004 7:21 am Post subject:

this is what I bought. Not a bad price either.

tommyadrian5 · Addict Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 907

how much were those lightnings, and how much do they weigh

luv ya blue, i don't know which tower you are putting these on, but be mindful that the deafcon III's weigh 28 lbs each or something. Alot of weight for a tower

cabalisticfire · Criminal Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 98

I have the Deafcon III's. The sound very good and I was able to pick them up for around $800 shipped. I'm pushing them with a Kicker kx600.4 amp. They are wired up at 2 ohms and receiving about 75W per speaker. Sounds very nice.

buzzardmountain · Newbie Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 12

cstmgsxr you have pm!

Bethany · Posted: Apr 08, 2004 8:45 am Post subject:

Dee's,
You are correct they have kicker 6.5's not pioneer.

xxxl wake · Outlaw Joined: 19 Mar 2003 Posts: 138 City: Nor- Cal

I have both the bullet 261 and the bullet db's they sound great. There a little more money, but I think they look much better. The 261's are Polk Momo 6750 and 675 speakers. Jaime @ Bullet speakers is a great guy tell him you saw his speakers on wb.com and he might give you a discount worth asking atleast.

xxxl wake · Outlaw Joined: 19 Mar 2003 Posts: 138 City: Nor- Cal

here is a pic

Calabria man · Posted: Apr 08, 2004 1:00 pm Post subject:

I bought those lightning cans from Tom at Lightning accessories. He's a great guy and he will take care of you. go to www.lightningaccessories.com
or call Tom at (530)306-5031
Tell him Alex sent you!

xxxl wake · Outlaw Joined: 19 Mar 2003 Posts: 138 City: Nor- Cal

one more from the back(or front)

oshensurfer · Posted: Apr 08, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject:

I assembled these for under $500. I've got Reference Series MB Quarts in them.

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

where did you get the cans to assy. those???

luv_ya_blue · Newbie Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 22

Hey guys, thanks for the help.....one more question if you don't mind. I just bought the defcon 3's. So now my question is what amp?? I'm buying the amp just for the defcons. What is the most ideal way to go. 2chanel or 4 and how many watts.

thanks again.

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

2 channel, and 150 watts to each channel!!!

luv_ya_blue · Newbie Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 22

Is that enough juice. I think those speakers are rated at 150rms per speaker, which means 300 per channel if wired at 2 ohms right....Here we go again.

WakeBoarRder180 · Guest

can u hear the speakers music when the boat is acctualy going or is it too loud

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

yeah, your right i had to read the specs on that model....go ahead with a 300 watt 2 ohm configuration...

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

i was meaning 150 watt to each seperate

luv_ya_blue · Newbie Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 22

So that would be something like a kicker sx600.2 or a kicker kx 550.2 wired at 2 ohms, right.

cstmgsxr · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 470

yup...