Man I wish we had liberty.... Anarchy in NOT Chaos

[Darin]

If you're younger, you have NO idea of the liberty you DON'T have. And if you attend public school, you really have never been taught about true liberty and the slavery we are now under. Slavery is not just in the past, it's what we all are for at *least* 3 months, most of us more than that each year. I was right wing Republican, shifted to Libertarian, then with more frustration with our government, taxation, and property ownership issues. I find that I lean HEAVILY Anarchist. Think you own your house/land? Think again! Don't pay your tribute to the government, and they will eventually show up with guns to take it from you, and sell it to someone who will pay the tribute. And they will sell it for the amount of tribute you didn't pay. Could be $5,000 on a property worth hundreds of thousands. Happens to elderly woman all the time.
Enough ranting, check out this flash animation:
http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf?lang=en

If you hate fish cops checking your boat for the fire extingusher, life jackets, whistle, etc. because they think you need there rulership and protection from yourself, then maybe you are part of the club.

Darin

Also check out :

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/

[Nor*Cal]

That Flash is flawed. Locke in his Second Treatise discusses the concept of Tacet consent. This is the idea that you have consented to be governed if at the age of maturity (where you become a citizen) you decide to stay or leave. By not leaving you have consented to be governed.

Darin, I understand your frusteration and I think we need to return to the concepts of the founders instead of liberally interpretting the Constitution. We need to return to their primary sources and return liberty to the people.

[nmballa]

Darin, funny story about the "fish cops". My buddy got pulled over on my waverunner one time by a dnr cop on the exact model and year waverunner. She asks for the registration and all that junk. Then she asked for him to show her the fire extinguisher. Well he cant find it so she starts to write out a ticket, right. This is when i roll up on my boat and ask whats wrong. she says that their is no fire extinguisher on board the waverunner. I look at her and then at him and back at her. " um, do you know where yours is, seeing that your on the same model waverunner?" She says thats not the point blah blah blah. I reach down open the one storage compartment and there it is. The dumb bitch didnt even know where hers was but was gonna write a ticket out to him on the assumption there wasnt one. I think she should have been the one getting written a ticket.

[Darin]

Well, I'm not sure I'm ready to run out of this burning building yet, I'm looking for the firemen to show up, so I can help put it out, and then rebuild it to what it was ment to be. Although I know it's never going to happen.

The tree of Liberty Letter
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96oct/obrien/blood.htm

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."

[Nor*Cal]

Nice Jefferson quote.

Wes Reeves and myself have quoted Jefferson and Madison in several other political debates on this forum.

Wes- I'm not putting words in your mouth just noticed that you are a scholar and have mentioned Madison and Jefferson in prior post.

[ontrider]

Wow, what a pretty animation.

[Darin]

[Chales]

Huh?

[finkle]

Darin, I agree with NorCal. Your ideas are good, but yet are flawed.

[ohsix]

No worries Nor*Cal.

[ontrider]

Yes, it's a nice idea but there are holes in the logic.

There are also a lot worse scenarios you could be living in and I think it's pretty silly to complain about your taxes when you live in one of the better off countries in the world. Move to North Korea and then you can talk about being enslaved by the government. I happen to think that most of us here are pretty fortunate and I really don't wish to get into a debate about anarchy vs. government.

[ohsix]

[Chales]

[Nor*Cal]

Liberty is to faction, what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be a less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency. --James Madison, The Federalist 10

[Nor*Cal]

But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government. -- Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837

[derrick lenz]

[Nor*Cal]

The government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them... -- Mark Twain

[Darin]

[Darin]

By the way, I know this post can get wildy off the original topic. Which is Anarchy. I don't think it's the best answer, but it's VERY appealing at this point. Extremism seems best fought with extremism. And with the extreme out of control taxes, regulation of our every move and now even our thoughts. I'd rather go to NO government, and take care of my family, myself, my own property time and money. And just be left alone by others who think they know whats best for me, which is to take my money, and regulate my movements and transactions. Heck, Mars is looking pretty darn nice right now. Except you can't wakeboard there.......anymore.

[salmon_tacos]

That's one of the most annoying posts I've read in a while. Please, feel free to move somewhere else...maybe Antarctica or some underdeveloped area of South America or Africa. I'm sure you can find a place with no taxes. Of course, there probably won't be much of a government either, nothing to protect you from all the selfish idiots there who might decide to kill you for whatever wealth you can manage to accumulate. If that's how you want to live, be my guest.

[derrick lenz]

[Darin]

[Darin]

Well, as much as I love debate. I know it's pointless to argue with people that are blindly slaves to the government. There is no where else to go. I've only got 30 years or so left anyway. I'm done posting on this thread, I've argued my case. I hope at least a few will consider Liberty as being lost. But one last thing. You who favor taxes, and a our government as it is. At what tax rate would you change your mind? 50% 60% 70, 80, 90, 100% taxes? Right now, we actually pay in the neighborhood of well over 50% of or income to taxes and regulations, and I've heard is around 65% percent. But at some tax rate, you have to feel like a slave. What's yours???

I draw the line at 15% TOTAL taxes. Beings how I earned it, by busting my butt everyday, and taking the risk. I feel intitled to my money. If you don't feel intitled to yours, you don't work hard enough for it maybe. Heck, send it to me, I can do more with it that Washington can.

[derrick lenz]

[Darin]

[Darin]

derrick, forget the Anarchy site, you'll feel more at home with this one.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/

*whew* now I'm done, and tired as well.

[derrick lenz]

darin- nevermind. once again your an idiot. i'm done arguing with you.

[Darin]

[derrick lenz]

i wouldn't feel like a slave at any tax rate because i know i live in a democracy. if i didn't like something i would write letters to my representatives, get involved in local politics and try to vote in those who i feel would best represent my beiliefs of how the government should be. i'm all about debate too. i'm just tired of getting responses backed by flash propaganda and not facts or socially accepted theories. if by socialist you mean that i would give up some of my property (ie taxes) to help someone else less fortunate than me, then yes i'm a socialist. it just stems from my beliefs of being a christian. helping others and trying not to be selfish and greedy.

and yes i checked out your website.

[ohsix]

[ontrider]

[Darin]

[Jello John]

Someday, I might post about the utopia I dream about too.

People are too violent for anarchy to make any sense in my opinion. How would an anarchist deal with a violent act? Is there a form of police? What about a court system?

[Porterwake]

Ahh yes, I love idiots who complain about living in America.

Christ, what you have in America is the best in the world. Go live in Hati or Israel for a year or two. You'll be begging and f*cking crying to come back.

[BurkeViper]

There is no such thing as Anarchy. Only confusion. There is always a type of order.