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PostPosted: Feb 23, 2004 10:20 am    Post subject: Brand newb to wakeboarding.. Reply with quote

My girlfriend bought me an O'brien custom 138 for my birthday.. I just bought a boat and I've been curious about wakeboarding for awhile (but no boat!)... Now that I have both, I tried it out this weekend.. I felt like a jackass, I couldn't get out of the water to save my life.

This site has lots of info on how to start this trick, that trick, etc, I guess its implied that you aren't as much of an idiot as I am. ? Is it me, is it the driver, what. Here's the lowdown:

Me, 5'11 / 170 on the above mentioned board

Mistakes I know exist:

Using a Seadoo speedster 200 w/out tower, using normal ski pylon now. Boat doesn't make much of a wake (doesn't matter for me yet)
Driven by someone who probably isn't doing something correct (he kept trying more and more power to pull me out of the water, which start resulting in slamming my fingers into the edge of the board)

The line I had is for skiing, so I know i need to go buy a wakeboarding line.

BUT, I would think these are nitpicky items, not really showstoppers? Everytime he gave it some power, I had a tidal wave coming over the board and I couldn't seem to get the board on top of the water.. Could someone take the time to go in DETAIL about how to get up if you're a noob?

Thanks!!!
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PostPosted: Feb 23, 2004 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!” The custom has been around for years, and still remains one of the most versatile boards on the market. Single to double concave hull, a unique tip/tail shape, continuous rocker give these boards smooth landings and great edge control. Ride the board that has gotten more people up then viagra."

that's the exact quote from obrien's website on the board....

For some reason some people have the hardest time getting up. Others just pop up the first time. One problem that you may have is that you have no idea what you are doing. You've only seen people do it but have never had any explanation. One thing that is true though, is that those who struggle getting up most, feel the best once they finally get up.

Personally, I sit vertically in the water. (Imagine sitting on a wall chair) That's the position I am in, in the water. Then, when the boat gets going -no matter what the speed- I just rise out of the water. Think of how a plane gets lift. The wings are at an upward angle and when the plane takes off, it gains speed until the wings are given enough lift from an upward force and the plane simply "lifts" off the ground. Think of the board doing that under the water. That might be a more "advanced" way to get up b/c you keep your body pretty stiff and in control....as a beginner, you won't be able to keep calm and together while a lot of things are happening.

Do you know how to get up on two skis? Really, it's the exact same thing. Put your knees into your chest, wrap your arms around your knees and push against the boat as it starts to go.

Many beginners, no matter how slow I go, always complain that I'm pulling them up too fast. Usually, they are trying too hard and can't figure out why they can't get up b/c it looks so easy to them.

IF your fingers are slamming into the board, then you are most likely getting pulled over the board -as if the board acts like a pivot point-. You must keep your position in the water like a brick. Also, don't be afraid if the board goes under the water, this must happen. But remember to keep that stiff body postion, otherwise you'll just land on your face.....and lean back too.<---very important as you are rising out of the water.

At this point, your line won't make a difference. A good handle will though. A wakeboard handle is wider and softer.

I hope this helps, if not, ask more Q's. Also, look in the trick tips section for the same type of q's. And the search up top works very well too.

good luck
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PostPosted: Feb 23, 2004 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, you should still be able to get up, even with those, umm, "difficulties." I'm assuming you already have a general idea of how to get up. If you have water coming over your board, you're holding it vertical so it plows through the water. What you want to do is make sure your board is at an angle to plane. It's kind of hard to axplain without showing you, so I'm gonna make a diagram.

Edit: Here's the diagram. Notice how in the first one the board is vertical and just plows water. In the second it's more angled and will plane up on the water.
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PostPosted: Feb 23, 2004 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i havent done it in years, just got all my gear to start again this year, but the way i learned back in the day was lay like your floating on your back knees bent in and toes pointing up toward the sky, dont lock your legs straight out, but make them tight when the boat gets going, only have 3-4" of the toe side of your board sticking out in front of you, tell the driver to get on the gas at a decent rate, not to slow, or you will fight the water pressure, not to fast either, just trial and error, we use to use a 1996 chapperel and the guy had a clip on his throttle, when he gave it gas he went straight to the clip and let the boat plane on its own, it was set for 2800 rpm's...

once he gets on the gas, let the water compress your body a little bit keeping your handle low, and then just push against it, or just go from the squatting position to a straight standing position, as this happens you will go from laying in the water to standing on top....

if you have ever snowboarded, it is like when you get going at a decent speed and turn your board completely sideways like your stopping, that is what the force is comparable to, stand up to quick and you'll go straight over it....


its not really that hard

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PostPosted: Feb 23, 2004 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluefish86, that diagram is perfect.
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PostPosted: Feb 23, 2004 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep trying... I was the same way, wanted to do it, but no one there to teach me properly, so i tried and tried, the first day after two hours no luck, the next time after an hour, finally got up, but the driver thought I was goin down so stopped... then all of a sudden it clicked... and I was up and going and feeling good, now i cant get enought of it. My advice is don't fight it, or try to hard, don't try to muscle it another words. Think about when you are sitting on the floor and someone gives you there hand to help you up, if you pull to hard you are just goin to pull them down, but if you work with them you are up on your feet. I have had the best luck teachin other people this way, just imagine your handle is your buddies hand and he is tryin to help you up.

I learned on a hydroslide(brick) wakeboard, a cheap multipurpose rope, and a bayliner with a 90 hp motor. So you can do it without investing more into it, until you are totally stoked when you finally get up and cant get enought of it!

also if you want a pylon, i have plans for one that doesnt mount to anything in your boat so there is no permanent attachment and can be made for less the $100.00 if you are interested pm me and I will send you the plans, the upward pull does make it a little easier to get up, but is not necassary!

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PostPosted: Feb 23, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a see doo speedster. last summer it pulled me right up...if u know how to work the trottle. I am 190 pounds. i figured ud need to gun the motor in order to get up. Jus put the throttle half way and let the boat pull u up slowly. ive taught many of my friends how to wakeboard off the speedster.
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PostPosted: Feb 24, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know exactly where you are coming from, when i first started my setup was pretty ghetto style. Anyways, i've taken a bunch of friends out for the first time and most of them got up within a few tries.
What i tell them is relax and lean back with your knees bent before the boat starts, and then just as it starts going(dont wait too long or you'll get the tidal wave effect) push your legs out a little and as you do that rotate your hips and bring you lead foot towards the boat. seemed to work for me and all my buds, hope it helps.
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PostPosted: Feb 24, 2004 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmarkham1 wrote:
Think about when you are sitting on the floor and someone gives you there hand to help you up, if you pull to hard you are just goin to pull them down, but if you work with them you are up on your feet.


That's excellent advice, I hope you don't mind if I start telling those that i'm teaching the same thing...

Ah, my ghetto(beginning) setup was an old kawasaki jet ski, a ski rope and handle, and a razor wakeboard. The board is hollow and plastic with very crappy sandals for bindings. Crappy, even by sandal standards. The jet ski could pull me up because I was no more than 120 at the time.

Best of luck to you, because once you do get up, you'll be addicted!
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PostPosted: Feb 24, 2004 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Inzane,

Are you sure you want to get up, cause once you do, you'll want to go spend money on ropes and boards and boats and towers and speakers and....

You might want to find (or buy) a copy of Higher Education - they SHOW you exactly how to get up - it's worth every cent...

Wes Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Feb 25, 2004 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The driver should be taking off in a smooth consistent manner the "gun it" motto does not apply in wakeboarding. Knees to the chest and let the boat do the work.

Kswiss I get up the same way like all the other guys I ride with. People never believe me when I say it puts less stress on your back, until they try it.
Way easier to get up this way than most people would expect. Good explanation.

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PostPosted: Feb 25, 2004 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J_DOGG, what, no grip it and rip it? Laughing

I had to explain the mechanics of takeoff to my father for at least 30 minutes before he got it. He was so used to gunning it from pulling slalom skiers that it just didn't make sense to him.

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PostPosted: Feb 25, 2004 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in Detention, Murray says to do it like this...plus it's how i've been tellin people how 2 get up for a while:

Imagine that you're sitting down on the ground with your feet in front of you. Now, you have a friend stand in front of you and grab your hands to pull you up off the floor. As your friend pulls, let you're butt slide to your ankles and then slowly stand. That's it! (Well, & don't muscle it)...hope this, & everyone elses advice helps!

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PostPosted: Feb 27, 2004 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluefish86, sweet graphic! you gotta teach me how to make one!

darty, sounds like you've watched Detention a few times

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PostPosted: Feb 27, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inggy, mabye a little to many times Laughing
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PostPosted: Feb 27, 2004 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inggy, it's not too complicated. I just made a new document in Graphic Converter (a mac program a lot like MS Paint), and started by using the rectangle tool to draw the water. I then drew the rest using the line tool. I change the line weight to make certain part like the board thicker than others like the rope. I finished by adding the text at the top with the text tool.
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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2004 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i watch detention every day! It makes me more pissed off that the water level wont be up for a month or so
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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2004 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea...& someone stole it!!! GEEZ!!! Twisted Evil That has always worked for me though when I'm teaching people how to get up...except for one dude that wouldn't listen and kept trying to muscle it up...we just left him there in the middle of the lake Twisted Evil . But really, it seems that they understand it more. You do it on the dock (or in the boat), then when they have their board on you rotate them on the platform in the same way, then it comes a little easier out in the water for them.
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PostPosted: Mar 06, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LAY ON BACK-KNESS IN TIGHT TO CHEST-HOLD ON TO THE HANDLE-SAY "GO", "HIT IT",...-DONT FIGHT IT, LET THE BOAT PULL YOU UP, 200 HORSES ARE A LOT STOGNER THAN YOU, YOU STAND NO CHANCE-BOARD WILL TURN KINDA AUTOMATICALLY-CUT OUTSIDE THE WAKE AND DO A KICK ASS TWEETYBIRD



ps: have you ever waterskiid? you said you have a waterski rope so just kinda wondering.....if you have, getting up on a wakeboard is the same concept......you'll get it, no worries

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