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PostPosted: Feb 12, 2004 8:41 pm    Post subject: Backroll Reply with quote

When i try to throw a back roll i end up throwing a mexican backroll( its kind of a heel side screwed up back frontflip thing) how do you throw just a straight up backroll
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PostPosted: Feb 12, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edge toward the wake and build line tension (progressive) - as you ride up the wake, wait for the pop and then put your trailing ear on your trailing shoulder - ride the board "into the sky" and you will make the "correct" backroll rotation.
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PostPosted: Feb 13, 2004 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you come into the wake try not to throw your head down when leaving the wake as this usualy results in a mexican. Realy try to pin your ear to your leading shoulder all the way around keeping your eyes OPEN and look for the water. good progressive edge as tparider said and do not DROP YOUR HIPS AT THE WAKE. leave the wake with you lead hip and your board perpendicular to the wake, with TWO hands on. good luck.

Get a video clip of it if you can and post it.
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PostPosted: Feb 13, 2004 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Kuehn - What do you mean by the dropping of the hips at the wake? Like squatting down before you take off kind of? How do you correct this? (I think this is another thing I'm doing wrong)...
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PostPosted: Feb 13, 2004 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, common problem. really try to resist with the weight on your heels all the way through to the top of the wake. if you squat at all you LOSE your edge and the LINE TENSION you need for the roll is gone. Next time you go out dont take such a big cut out and really try push down and RESIST with the back of your heels and see how you get on. Do one thing at a time. could do with a clip posted!
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PostPosted: Feb 13, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip. We're taping next week so I'll put something up soon.
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PostPosted: Feb 15, 2004 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey i want to try one this summer. is it like doing it on a snowboard or is it completely dif?
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PostPosted: Feb 15, 2004 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, never tried on a snowboard....
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PostPosted: Feb 16, 2004 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anyone out there that has done it on snow and water? Any similarities or differences? Thanx
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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2004 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tparider "put your trailing ear on your trailing shoulder"
kuehn "Realy try to pin your ear to your leading shoulder"
which one is right? because arnt these to methods the opposite of each other?
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PostPosted: Feb 28, 2004 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its leading. Right foot foward right shoulder, left foot foward left shoulder
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PostPosted: Feb 29, 2004 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer numbfoots question-
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Is there anyone out there that has done it on snow and water? Any similarities or differences?


I really just started wakeboarding last year but have been snowboarding for quite a long time so I will just tell you what I experienced. The backroll feels very similar to a "wildcat" type backflip on a snowboard. Spotting the landing feels exactly the same as it does on snow, which is why this trick is easy for a snowboarder like me to pick up even with minimal wakeboarding skills.

This being my first post I would just like to say thanks to all of you who actually do know something about wakeboarding and are willing to offer advice it has been very helpful to this newbie.
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PostPosted: Feb 29, 2004 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexican backroll? Hahahahahaha

Is there such a thing?
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PostPosted: Feb 29, 2004 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffrey_25, yes.
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PostPosted: Feb 29, 2004 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or Mexi-roll for short.

ben746 wrote:
its leading. Right foot foward right shoulder, left foot foward left shoulder


No, it's trailing. If your stance is regular you want to throw your head towards your right (trailing) shoulder.

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PostPosted: Mar 01, 2004 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure it's leading (but hey, it's 1am, so what do I know)

Edging up the wake and looking over you leading shoulder will give you a 'legit' backroll rotation.

If you look over your trailing shoulder it forces you to duck your head into the rotation, causing a more 'flippy' mexican roation.

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PostPosted: Mar 01, 2004 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffrey_25 wrote:
Mexican backroll? Hahahahahaha

Is there such a thing?


Oh yeah, didn't make yourself look to smart there, eh... Razz

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PostPosted: Mar 01, 2004 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Josh R,
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Oh yeah, didn't make yourself look to smart there, eh...


Hey I'm learning Razz


I've never heard of a mexican backroll. What's the difference?
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PostPosted: Mar 01, 2004 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

learning the hard way I see....
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PostPosted: Mar 03, 2004 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

criminally_minded wrote:
No, it's trailing. If your stance is regular you want to throw your head towards your right (trailing) shoulder.


Josh R wrote:
Pretty sure it's leading.. Edging up the wake and looking over you leading shoulder will give you a 'legit' backroll rotation.

If you look over your trailing shoulder it forces you to duck your head into the rotation, causing a more 'flippy' mexican roation.


You are right my friend, as am I. I think our differences lay in our wording. By 'throw your head to your trailing shoulder', I didn't mean look over your trailing shoulder, that would definitely give you a dirty ol' Mexican Very Happy Perhaps I should have said roll your head towards your trailing shoulder, look over your leading shoulder?

Regardless, I believe your explanation was better.

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Mar 03, 2004 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh, I getcha mate... Wink
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PostPosted: Mar 03, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just went out and threw a few on the tramp. They can be done both ways, and from memory I used to do them more the way I described, but without realising it I have changed to your method. Throwing towards your trailing shoulder feels uuuugly.

Also, looking over your leading shoulder spots your landing better on the water. I remember now that when I was first trying backrolls I was landing virtually blind, quite often catching a heelside edge, mexiroll style.

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