What am doing wrong while jumping (video included)

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

I can not seem to get more that a few feet of air while jumping w2w, i am positive that its my edge and form, would you please help me out.

http://www.wakepics.com/member/WickedBite

salmon_tacos · Posted: Feb 10, 2004 9:10 am Post subject:

It doesn't look like you're absorbing the wake too much with your knees so that's good.

I'd say it's the progressive edge. Here's why:

1. You're starting REALLY far outside the wake. You could start only half that far outside and easily clear the wake.

2. Look at the spray. The harder you're pulling the more spray you have. You actually have more spray toward the start of the cut than at the wake. In fact, it looks like right before you hit the wake, the spray sort of dies out. That tells me that you're not hitting the wake with tension in the line.

Steps I'd recommend:

1. Start about half as far out as you were.
2. Edge harder through the wake.
3. Stand tall, i.e. stiffen your body as you ride up the wake (you may already be doing this).
4. Maybe pull the rope a little lower toward you hips as you approach the wake.

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

awsome thats good news, i was never sure about the standing tall i feele better about that, so i'll work on that progressive edge.

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 10, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject:

Something that really helped me learn my progressive edge was this: don't think of it as cutting in, but as leaning back on the rope and trying to tear the tower off of the boat. Progressively build up the tension, pulling harder and harder back as you go, so that you're pulling the hardest at the wake.

This works well because it's actually the line tension that realy helps you get pop, not the speed.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

More tension on the rope as you approach. When I watched the video it looks like the line tension is pretty much constant rather than BUILDING as you cut into the wake.

BillJ · Posted: Feb 10, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject:

The other thing you need to do is put a little more weight on your front foot, that way you will be more level and balanced in the air. As you cut, just put more pressure on your front foot. When you get it right the board should be almost perfectly level in the air. Combine that with the progressive edge and you will be ready to start learning tricks and grabs.

What speed are you boarding at? The wake is a little small and it could be that you are just going too fast.

jeffrey_25 · Addict Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 811

salmon_tacos, you should open an internet coaching school! You have some of the best advice out there.

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

I board at 19-21 mph

salmon_tacos · Posted: Feb 11, 2004 7:48 am Post subject:

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

Either way salmon_tacos, you have been a great help on most of my posts, so you might as well be my coach.

MissJade · Soul Rider Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 486 City: Austin, TX

Something to think about is the difference between a progressive edge and what people call an ollie edge. There are three different kinds off edges - progressive, ollie and trip flip. Progressive is for load and release tricks (backrolls, raleys), trip flip is for tricks where you need the wake to trip you into the air (tantrum, off-axis spins), and the ollie edge is what you need to get big floaty wake to wake spins and jumps. The theory behind it is that for a progressive edge, you slowly build your cut while loading in anticipation for a release. An ollie is the same principle, but your cut remains relaxed for most of the way to the wake, that is, there really isn't much spray. It is more squatty, you use your legs to push off the top of the wake and that's what generates the floaty pop along with line tension load. A progressive edge for load and release, you stand much taller. Try understanding the ollie edge by doing one wakes starting from 5 feet out and don't even edge. Seriously, just keep the boat flat, go in slow and push off the top of the wake. You'll freak out at how much air you get with almost no speed. Then take this to two wakes. Remember to cut in slow. Cutting in too fast will land you in the flats, but that's not a good thing because you will not get the height and you want vertical not horizontal. Otherwise, you'll never get the float you need for spins. God luck!

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

That has to be the best descripion of a type of jump I have ever read. I can' wait to try these new skills.MissJade, and once againsalmon_tacos, Thanks so much hopfully i can improve my riding ten fold.

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

MissJade, you explained the ollie edge and the progressive edge perfectly but how do you execute a trip flip edge?

J_DOGG · Posted: Feb 24, 2004 9:27 am Post subject:

MissJade is a rida.....she knows what's up.... I couldn't have said it better myself.

Trip Flip say for the Crow.... come in slow building speed and loading the line as you get closer to the wake. I start in close so I make sure I'm still generating speed at the wake.. 1 foot or less before the wake (it takes a few to get this right) you want to stop edging, either let the board go flat or what I do is squat down as if I was going to pump the wake, doing this in essence changes the edge slightly. You need to really think about letting the board stop at the wake and letting your body go before the board. Once you feel the pop, extend and roll your body forward and down (I look at my feet when I release so I keep my head down) keeping the handle in close all the way around. Once you feel the pressure on the back arm (usually when you are upside down) hold strong and as you come out of the flip it will finish the 180. For a good crow you are doing the 180 on the way down not when you are upside down.

Tantrum uses the same principals, except the approach is a little more aggressive and the edge change is more exaggerated. It's an easier trick for most people mainly cuz it from the HS. I have a very strong TS edge so the crow came more natural for me.

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

I KNOW THIS THREAD GOT A LITTLE OFF TOPIC BUT I COULD USE MORE ADVICE ON THE VIDEO!!!!

finkle · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 4067

finkle · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 4067

that being said.....I think everyone has pretty much given you really good advice...more than you may need. After watching that two seconds where you cut in over and over, I noticed a slight bend in your back (right) knee. That little absorbtion may have cost you a little bit more air. Otherwise, I really can't see anyone offering anymore than what has already been said.