Opinions on Tige/

m3the01 · Newbie Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 43

My brother is looking at a new boat. Doesnt want the same boat i got so hes looking at tige.

Whats the opinions out there?

Please list good or bad.

thanks,
Steven

P.S. ive already gone through many reviews on the internet and searched.

Brian B. · Posted: Aug 27, 2003 5:49 pm Post subject:

well there is alotta info on tige on this site, but if you have specific questions that havent been answered then you should prolly ask them i guess

Jeffro · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 659 City: Austin, Texas

there are several around here that bought tiges this year.

I have an 03 21i-R and love it. The quality and craftmanship is top notch. The boat is very solid. the taps system is great and a must have these days. It makes a great shape and size wake when weighted.

if you're looking for something specific as far as questions, fire away....

m3the01 · Newbie Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 43

How much is the ballast option?

Does it have anything like perfect pass. Its a must for slalom skiing and circuit riding?

But just main opinions. Have any of you been in a super air 210 2002 and up?

Hows it compare. Thats my boat. Can he really expect the same boat for 10000 cheaper?

What type of leather quality, well we know its not leather but interior quality?

Fade resistant coating? Does it have it?

thanks for any info guys, sorry for all the questions.

Shawn Madison · Posted: Aug 27, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject:

m3the01,

1. The ballast system runs around $2k and requires 2 batteries.
2. PP is a must on a new boat and I would get wakeboard pro.~$1,300.
3. That SANs are very nice and have a great wake. Narrower and generally require less weight to get a large peak. Excellent slalom boats. A little less room than most boats.
4. The vinyl is 34oz marine and is cosidered thick in the boat industry. It depends on how you take care of it on how it resists wear. Use 404 to clean and protect regularly and it will be fine.

*Hope this helps.

Jeffro · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 659 City: Austin, Texas

perfect pass is an option, however not really needed on my 21i. It holds the speed very well and easy to obtain your desired speed. I might eventually get PP, but it would only be if i had a bunch of extra cash to blow. If you are wanting to drive comps then yah, it's prolly neccessary.

i can't really compare the 210, however i have been on the new X-star, x-10, and 22v .... all three had very similar wakes in terms of size...none of them was really larger than the others. The shape was the main difference...the x-10 was steaper, the 22v was more rounded at the peak and didn't have as much of a trough in the middle like the x10 and xstar did. but as i said, all 3 wakes were awesome. If you want a v-drive (or your friend) look at the 22v for sure!!!

not sure how much the ballast system is....in the 22v that i rode in, it had 600 lbs of lead in it and that was all it needed! but as in any boat, th e more ballast the better.

the interior is plush...soft vinyl, cushy carpet, everything is nice and snug. there is a 5 or 10yr warranty on the interior...(i can't remember the exact term, but it's a nice one).

lr1000t · Posted: Aug 27, 2003 8:33 pm Post subject:

I love Tige. I have wanted one since about 1997, but still saving. I can't keep myself out of school. Round three now. Anyway, growing up one guy had a Nautique and we had a Centurion at school. Both nice boats, but I like the versatility of the Tiges. I grew up skiing, so I want a boat that can slalom, and now I have two little boys who I know will want to wakeboard. The 20V is our current choice. I wanted the 21i, but my wife likes the V better. It is just the four of us and so the smaller boat is fine. Price was a consideration, so that excluded some boats, especially ones that I felt I was paying for the name only. For me personally, the Tige is the current best choice. Good luck to your brother.

Ralph · Posted: Aug 27, 2003 9:02 pm Post subject:

The 20V might be a short boat but it is 96 inches wide. I've only sat inside one at the boat show but it was very roomy and the interior was very well laid out with a swivel drivers chair and a table. I was very impressed with it.

BIGMAC · Posted: Aug 27, 2003 9:05 pm Post subject:

This is my opinion and just that. I have spent a bunch of time behind an 03 SAN TE and several tiges from 00-02. I know that tige has made a few changes but I will compare with my experience. The SAN interior is better constructed than the Tiges w/out dought. The tige seats were coming apart, the towers rattled, the 21i rider editions wake was mediocore and didn't respond well to weight, I did like the shape of the 21v but it didn't repond all that great to weight but better than the 21i. The 21i dipped it's nose in the water easily. Yes I know that these boats have had many improvements but I am comparing to what I ridden behind and in. The SAN has one of the best towers in the business. The interior is well constructed but it definatly has it's down side that includes the clamshell seat, small storage trunks in the back, as well as other items I may have forgotten. The Tige 21v was huge inside. Awsome storage and tons of spare room. The 21i had the sweet stadium seating!!!! As for wakes the SAN is without a dought one of the biggest baddest wakes in the world. The SAN responds well to weight and is a very vert style wake. The 21i wake was a rampy style wake. We experimented with all sort of weight possibilites and came to the conclusion that this wake will never be called anything better than good. I was much more fond of the 21v wake and could consider it a great wake with proper weighting.
I think that perfect pass is an absolute must. I can tell the difference in a half mile per hour. Perfect pass gives me the confidence that I never had with people controlling the speed. There are many other advantages that are listed on this forum if you search for it. I promise that you won't regret it.

renster · Newbie Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 31 City: Asheboro

I bought a 2002 2V last year - Love it - Would buy another Tige' without a doubt

somepunk22 · Addict Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 898 City: Minnesota

I've spent a lot of time riding/driving an 03' tige 22v this summer. I have also had the chance to ride behind an 03' sante, 03' b-52, and a 02' x-star. The 03' tige has my favorite interior of them all. So much room and storage. Half the time we didn't even use board racks. The seats in the bow are probably more comfortable than most of my furniture at home. The only thing those other boats have on the tige is the quality of materials. As for the wake, the new convex hull throws (IMO) the most solid wake out of any boat out there. With taps and 600-700lbs worth of sand, it puts out a very nice wake.

bline163 · Newbie Joined: 24 Mar 2003 Posts: 27

I bought a 2002 229-typeR and love then boat. I have only rode behind a older supra before so I can't really compare to much. What I can say is that the boats room is awesome. I've had 8 people comfortably in it. I look at other boats and when they have a few body's in there its elbow to elbow. The wake so far to me is very nice. I'm not pro or anything, but it has a very nice pop with one fat sac in the back of the boat. I talk with someone in colorado and he puts 700 in boat gull lockers and 500 up front and he said the wake is killer. I'll admit to the other guys post that sometimes the tip does tend to dip into the water, but don't all boats when hitting another wake or going at slow speeds?

Just my input, hope you have a good time with what ever boat you buy.

Oh one other thing, the price difference is huge with Tige'. I don't think the big three (malibu, master craft, and natique) are worth the cash. Tige' is doing the right thing by breaking into this market and making the other suffer. Well I hope that will happen because maybe then other might be able to afford those boats.

porter · Outlaw Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 109 City: Sammamish

I have a 2003 22V and ride behind a Super Air all the time. The 22V has a similiar wake to the Super Air, but with a bit more ramp. The Super Air pretty much has the steepest wake out there. Both wakes are really nice. You can't really compare the old Tige's to the new ones with the Convex-v hull, because the new Tige's have such a better wake.

$-[]0[][]V[][]0-$ · Criminal Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 99 City: san jose

SOMEPUNK22: you can't be serious when you say the others use better materials.The whole reason i bought a Tige' ,besides for the room, was because Tige' uses much better quality materials than most manufacturers.For instance,heavy duty stainless brackets and hinges,the upholestry, and i also thought Tige' was a much more solid boat than the "builtwithglue" wakesetter or a Ski Centurion just to name a couple.

Tige22iTyper · Outlaw Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 129 City: Lakewood

I picked up my 02 22i Type R last August. already have put 200 hrs on it. I looked at EVERYHTING before buying. It came down to a MC X-9, Malibu Wakesetter XTI, and the 22i. Price wasn't a consideration, I just wanted a boat that I could either focus on Wakeboarding for the day, or slalom, and it does both incredibly. PP is a marriage saver! My wife would not drive without it. The Tige, like others have said has massive storage. I can put 4 boards on the racks, 2 slalom skis under the observer seat, and still have the gull storage for vests, towels, kids skis, ropes, small sacs, and whatever else I feel like bringing that day. It is a heavy boat, and handles as such, but when going through rough water, it is the best. The wake is incredbile at 23mph and the Taps set at 5 or 6. Interior is top notch, so is the sound system. The interior layout is like no other direct-drive on the market. Everyone who sees it is just amazed at the number of seats, and how comfortable it is. Plus, with the middle steps in the back, you never have to step on the interior! Just my two cents, but anyone who has a Tige knows what I mean! Surprised

renster · Newbie Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 31 City: Asheboro

m3the01,

I think you can see that Tige' has really stepped it up in the past couple of years and has become one of the best manufacturers out there. Go ride and drive one and you will see why all of us Tige' oweners love our boats!

NAW · Posted: Sep 03, 2003 6:10 am Post subject:

I always liked the look and layout of the 20 and 22V....until I rode in the 24V. I am thoroughly impressed with every aspect of this boat. But, I guess for 60k, I should be.

graphik · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 727 City: miller lake

I bought a used Tige in September (last Sept) and think it's great. It's a wide boat, and has a wide wake, so you tend to go bigger just to go wake to wake. I've run into a few mechanical problems, but it's just stuff that needs to be done as a regular course maintaince (impeller, waterpump). Mine is a 93, and the interiors of today just don't compare as far as space organization. But I looked at a mastercraft, Supra, Malibu and the Tige, and were all great boats. I picked up the Tige.

blur · Criminal Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 97 City: Littleton

Not sure if you/your brother has decided on a boat yet, but I can tell you only my opinions. I have a Tige 22ir (I am the one that bline163 mentions above) I now have 340 hours on my 01' 22ir and have enjoyed every one of them with no problems at all. As mentioned many times, tige has the seating arrangment deal down. I think that many other manufacturers could learn a few things from them. As far as construction, the boat is madly solid and handles rough water very well. I have 2 small kids that have no problems at all when we get into rough water, they are still comfortable and still feel safe. As far as the wake, you name the trick and it has been done with ease behind my ride (unfortunatley not all of them by me Wink

The wake eases you into the peak a bit more than an X-star or SAN b8ut the lift and pop are there for sure. The quality of the boat as well as the awesome dealer (WSS here in Colorado) are the reason that I am now selling my Tige to buy a new one. No dissapointments in my boat, I just want so many new toys on it as well as a color change that it is just easier to get a new one and customise everything the way I want it. If anyone is interested, let me know. There are pics of it in my profile and I will be putting it up on the calssified section next week. I have one guy already interested but not sure he will be able to get tbhe financing arranged. BTW - I have rode behind almost every boat out there, still want to ride behind the B-52 and the new x-star but pretty darn sure there is no way that they could swing me away from tige. They would have to have some option that I never even thought about and that I suddenly could not live without. jst my $.02

Tige22iTyper · Outlaw Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 129 City: Lakewood

I also have a 22i, a 2002. By far the best boat I looked at and have rode behind. Seating arrangement is incrdible! Never any gear on the floor. The ballast system is not worth getting. I talked to Charlie Pigeon (the founder of Tige) at our Tige boat owners reunion up here in Seattle two weeks ago. He said that hardly anyone is ordering it, and dealers are not requesting that many. The TAPS is more than enough. He said they may even discontinue it for 2005. But as others have said, ride them all. Just my two cents....

Fishmaster · Posted: Sep 23, 2003 1:39 pm Post subject:

I ride in a SANTE regularly and just got a 22V. Boat great boats but he 22V has tons more room in it. The wider boat really makes it feel a lot roomier. Everyone (only 5 or 6 different people so far ) has been very impressed with the wakeboarding wake, and the wakesurfing wake is AMAZING. I can say enough good about it.

captain freedom · Criminal Joined: 06 Jul 2003 Posts: 61

I have a Rival Industries ballast system in my 22V. 5 sacks, 5 pumps, 5 independent fill/drain switches, and it fills 1800 pounds in 5 minutes. Terry, the Tige dealer in Arizona is the owner of this ballast company. It is a far superior system then the Hippo systems and you can get custom sized bags for your boat. Depending on what you order, it would be somewhere between $1000 and $1500 and that is all you would ever need.

porter · Outlaw Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 109 City: Sammamish

I can help with comparing the 22V to the Super Air. I own a 22V and ride in the Super Air pretty often. If you like a really steep wake the Super Air is pretty much the steepest out there and has an very quick transition. It's really hard and clean too and you probably only need 1500 pounds of combined ballast and people to get a really nice wake. The correct craft fit and finish is the best out there in my opinion. It can't be beat. The downside on the Super Air is just the lack of space and storage in my opinion.

The 22V also has a very steep wake. The difference is that the transition is less abrupt than the Super Air. The wake is also really clean and hard, and a little wider than the Super Air. We ride at 75 behind the Super Air and just 70 behind the 22V. 2000 pounds will make the wake absolutely huge. Both wakes are awesome, but the 22V just has a bit more transition to the steep wake. The fit and finsish of the Tige' is really good, and the space and storage is like no other for a 21' 10" boat. It's 102" inches wide and you have more space and storage than you'd ever need.

I hope this helps.

Jeffro · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 659 City: Austin, Texas

great post porter.....that really sums up the 22v well.

ILOVEBOATIN · Posted: Sep 27, 2003 11:26 am Post subject:

I dont get way people try to dis on centurion so much went most of u guys have never owned one i bet. "Builtwithglue" i doubt u even know what ICS stands for. Reason i wouldnt want to get a tige is that they r so low to the water get a big wave hit your boat it all comes in. I think u should check out centurion for yourself and not listen to what people think about them. just my $.02

Kent · Posted: Sep 27, 2003 5:41 pm Post subject:

That is not all accurate. The new Tige boats sit quite high out of the water. My 2000 20i was low and we took some bow water once in a while, my 2003 21i is high out of the water and we've never had a problem. We tested the 22v and the 21i and ended up going with the 21i because we just ended up preffering the layout, to us it feels longer, and actually liked the shape of the wake better. Its an excellent rough water boat, and the TAPS really shines through here. We arent running near as much weight as we used to, about 700 in the back and around 400 up front, we will probably add about another 600 total i figure, we ususally go out with quite a few people so we dont need massive amounts of extra ballast. I find the boat responds really well in wake size by just having two or three extra people out, flipping the staduim seating around at the back moves four people back there comftorably, and grows the wake.
Im riding at 90ft now, you can go SO huge and still land wake to wake, at about 24 mph. Id say the wake shape is described as a cross between a super air and a wakesetter. Its big clean and hard, a little steeper then the wakesetter but not as abrupt as the super air, and can be tuned with use of TAPS. My favourite wake used to be a wakesetter vlx, but i can honestly say its my 21i now. At 90ft with all the hangtime to go wake 2 wake, everything feels SO slow and floaty, ive never felt more comftorable riding behing a boat, and my riding has improved leaps and bounds since we bought it.

Jack V · Outlaw Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 207

Do the Tige's still feel like the whole boat is tipping over sideways when you turn it? I drove a 2000 and it felt that way. I don't like that feeling at all.

Kent · Posted: Sep 27, 2003 8:25 pm Post subject:

I suppose that has alot to do with the model of the boat, some would roll more than others. I think the 21i feels really solid through the turn due to the wide beam, the 20i would roll more I guess. I havent found that to be more in a Tige then with any other boat really though, and im in probably 4-5 different boats every week due to my job.

ILOVEBOATIN · Posted: Sep 28, 2003 8:45 am Post subject:

mc has that problem too tipping over sideways when u turn it, that i has noticed when i have riden in my friends boat that has a x-30

Funkster · Posted: Sep 28, 2003 11:05 am Post subject:

m3the01, the new tige are nice boat's,def can't compare the pre 03 vs the 03's. I think Porter's opinion is pretty spot on between the SAN and The 22V.

IMPO,correct craft's SAN has the wake dialed in,super firm,very clean and the shape is a wakeboarder's dream. The interior is small but the fit and finish is top notch.The tower is strong and no creeking sound's come from it. There is some bow rise and can be hard to see when getting up and out of the whole.The 210te feels more like a sports car.The boat has plenty of power,we had over 2500lbs and the motor didn't not even struggle a bit.

The 22v is a huge boat with ample room. Storage is not a problem in this boat.YOu can fit a surf board in the rear locker!! It seem's like they really stepped it up in the fit and finish department this year. When I rode behind it,Porter didnt have the wake dialed in yet,but it was still pretty good. It def had a different shape than the older tige's(for the good). It still was a mix between vert and ramp but has alot more transition vs the SAN. IMPO they are def moving in the right direction with the wake but still I think the SAN is the king in the wake department. There is little to no bow rise due to the taps system. The cockpit is big.There is no feeling like you are cramped when driving the 22v. I did notice there was still creeking coming from the tower.I know tige is trying to fix this problem but still have not gotten all the kinks worked out. The 22v feels more like a cadi deville.The motor def had enough power,I dont know the weight amount that was in the boat but getting up and out of the whole was no problem. Tige is def moving in the right direction in taking info from there rider's and actually doing something about the problem's they have had and trying to fix them,that say's alot about there company.

If it was my choice I would still go with the SAN210 just becuase of the wake and I don't need that big of a boat.

Kent · Posted: Sep 28, 2003 5:47 pm Post subject:

I solved the problem with the 03 tower creaking, just put a tiny rubber washer in between where the tower joint is where it folds down. Put that in and not a kreek since.

Funkster · Posted: Sep 28, 2003 6:36 pm Post subject:

Kent,I will have to tell porter and brent about that..thanks!!!

captain freedom · Criminal Joined: 06 Jul 2003 Posts: 61

Our tower doesn't creak. Just tightened a few screws and has never been a problem since we did that.

Funkster · Posted: Sep 28, 2003 7:42 pm Post subject:

captain freedom, That's cool that would drive me nut's!! Been doing any riding??? I saw Porter out at samm last weekend!!!