Off-Axis spins

Cap'nPimp · Outlaw Joined: 22 Jun 2003 Posts: 131 City: Fenton

I have a few questions about off-axis spins. First, are there any tricks you should do before trying them (besides on axis spins)? Also which is esier ts off axis or hs?

thoe_ 49 · Newbie Joined: 19 Jul 2003 Posts: 11 City: alberta canada

um....i dont really think theres any trick thatl leed u to an off axis spin....mabe a tweaked grab...such as a melon(front hand grabs between the legs on heel side) but it doesnt even help that muchany way...the first off axis spin can be either a heel side 180 or toeside 180...its wutever u can land more solidly...personaly i preffer heelside....take ur 180 really big.......(meaning load everythin up.....come in with high speed, but only to use ur extra speed to travel up( meaning land on the downside of the other wake)but as u leave the wake....drop ur front shoulder and grab the melon..pull back hard with ur dropped shoulder...tweak the grab fo good measures...now when u pivot ur last 90 degrees u have to snap ur shoulder baqck to position,,,u may land on ur a$$ ur few firwst tries but if ur frontside switch landing are strong it shouldnt be an issue.....now go out and show someone up! Laughing

voegi · Outlaw Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Posts: 115 City: Switzerland

mmm, but that's different from what I've heard:

don't cut out that much (only about 7 to 10 feet), by coming to the wake, put your weight to the front foot...and the rest I don't remember...

what about that?

voegi

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

That sounds like a backside 180 if you drop your front shoulder, thats a pretty unorthodox off axis spin, its more like a poked out grab. I would try a hs fs o/a 360 first, prerequisites should be a regular 360 and knowing the bqackroll motions can help you a lot. Release the board high and and let it drift away from the boat. Keep the handle pinned to your ass, don't let it get away or you will have a painful back dive. And just complete the off axis rotation by passing the handle to your front hand. Try not to take them too inverted or it will look like an ugly backroll.

Toeside off axis spins need that good 'trip flip edge' you hear about, and man they can look super cool, but I cant help you there Smile

dw · Posted: Jul 21, 2003 9:03 am Post subject:

a 180 are you insane, you have to at least go for a 360 because the finishing of the spin is what brings you back on axis.......I am working on these now and the wipeouts are not fun at all.....its a real confidence move like the air raley, you have to have faith that the handle pass will pull you back around

voegi · Outlaw Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Posts: 115 City: Switzerland

so that would mean to go with the same aproach as for a normal hs fs 360 but letting the board coming up more...that will give you the off- axis position...

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 21, 2003 11:47 am Post subject:

I have been told by a pro that you should learn the HS OfAxis 540 first as the 3 is harder because you have to stop the rotation and the 5 just naturally comes into place.

Leave the wake semi roll motion and like Jim said push the handle down and under your back/butt. Basically the handle should be the lowest thing coming across the wake with board, hips, butt and everything else above the plane of the handle. Do this by pushing the handle down at take off while going into a semi-roll.

If you can do BIG late HS 3's with a solid grab and pull a HS backroll out your a$$ once and a while you should be able to get this trick figured out.

chubby · Soul Rider Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 487 City: NC

yeah thoe has no clue what hes talking about

your first off axis spin will probably be a ts 5

hs is harder off axis than ts

bs off axis spins are hard as stuff, you most likely wont ever learn to spin bs and off axis

off axis bs 180 is the hardest off axis trick and probably one of the most difficult tricks ever

and whatever hes talking about grabs a pre requesites, wtf? if your learning to do off axis spins i think you would be able to grab melon?!?

real prerequesites: backroll, maybe a ts backroll, a hs 3, at least ts fs 180s, thats about it, o yeah and grabs, haha, loser

i hate it when people post up completely wrong info and think they no everything

o yeah and his complete instruction thing on how to do a off axis 180 is way the fu.ck off haha, and on top of that, !??!a off axis fs 180!?!?! HAHAHAHAHA, WHAT A dumby wumby.

THAT Would LOOK HORRIBLE AND JUST BE MORE OF A KRYPT, or melon glide 180?!

chubby · Soul Rider Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 487 City: NC

also, before telling someone how to do a trick, itd should be a prerequsites* to be able to do it....THOE

Thomas P. · Addict Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 717

I said it in the other thread but I'll say it again, there is such thing as a hs/fs o/a 180. You let it float out like any other off axis, but instead of spinning more to come back on axis, you pull your board under you sort of like you're coming out of a switch batwing. It's hard to visualize but people do them on the tramp and on the water as well.

DaWorD · Criminal Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 84

For off axis spins, it really depends on the person to find out whats easier to learn. For me, i learned tsoa 5s first and then hsoa 5s second, followed by hsoa3. What I noticed for me is that on ts it was harder to get off axis but the handle pass was never really a problem. For hs it seemed like getting off axis was easier but hard to pass the handle at first. Id say the prerequsites for a ts oa 5 would be a crow and on axis 5. And for hs a roll to revert and a hs 5. These will all make off axis tricks alot easier to learn if you can do those, because off axis is basically in between crows/roll to reverts and ts5s/hs5s.

Fauker · Soul Rider Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Posts: 471 City: Charlotte

i learned the heelside oa 3 first...

take a really mellow cut into the wake, maybe 12 ft out or so. It's really important to have the handle in close to your body on the approach. There is a certain degree in which you have just enough line tension, but not too much that makes this trick really flow - you have to toy with it to figure it out but it just comes with experience.

You can really float this trick with not much of a cut at all. Another thing is you want to make the handle pass pretty late. Great trick off the double up...

the ts o/a 5 is like jim said trip flip move. What helped me with these was putting a lot more weight on my front foot. This keeps you from taking a big cut and also helps reduce tension on the line...

Good luck...

Fauker · Soul Rider Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Posts: 471 City: Charlotte

Oh yeah, definitely dont do a handle pass back roll, that looks so ugly ;p

A prime example of this (if any of you have wakeboarding unleashed), I think it's in the intro where cobe does one.... Confused