484 wakeskates

barndoor willie · Newbie Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 8

You all think that Cassette and Thomas are innovative? And that any new brands are a rip off? If the public only knew what happens behind closed doors... Wakeskating has been around alot longer than you think! You think that concave skates were conjured up by the cassette skaters? man concave skating has been around forever, they just happened to be in a position to pay someone to design a concave wakeskate - now everybody is doin it, thats the way things evolve...get used to it! don't freakin whine about how these new companies are getting on the bandwagon, just skate the skate you like the most and let what happens happen. If you like transformers on your skate and you think thomas is really cool then rock a cassette. If you like grubb and his model board then ride a hyperlite. If your a core kind of rider and like the way 484 looks & rides then frickin ride that board. There's also kampus, west coast, mutiny, double-up, cwb, earthboard, house (gator), and some other misc companies, not to mention liquid force (who everyone should really be pissed at cos they are the ones who screwed cassette up). But anyways... I am not gonna let some industry standard tell me what I can and cannot ride - I am gonna ride what looks & rides the best...

77 · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 9:43 am Post subject:

well said.

subjektive · Outlaw Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 168 City: Mid-West

bighaircorey, No...stale is when there is no innovation. What the other guys are complaining about is the fact that with 484 there isn't anything innovative about the skates. Competition is great dont get me wrong, but innovation is the key element here. Cassette, as everyone agrees, is the original wakeskate company...Kampus has different shapes and different technology (i.e. there fins/tracking bumps)...Mutiny is back (YAY!!) with different materials and construction processes and even their shapes aren't a "Cassette" shape. The guys are just voicing opinions about a company that pops up with the wakeskate boom with products that parallel Cassette's designs...seems a little suspicious. No need to get hostile, telling everyone to

DockSecret · Addict Joined: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 756 City: Austin, TX

If you check out wakeskating.com, there's a post in there forum from Thomas Horrell about this. I just woke up so what I'm about to say could be a bit off from what he said, but apparently 484 didn't even make these skates. The company that manufactured Cassette's decks sold some of Cassette's decks to 484 when Liquid Force went out of business.

Josh R · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 5:47 pm Post subject:

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barndoor willie · Newbie Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 8

Josh R · Posted: Jul 04, 2003 6:01 pm Post subject:

You assess a board on how they look, INSTEAD of how they ride? My god... Confused

Well I'm glad 484 is really 'pushing their graphics further' that the other companies, because everyone knows how a board looks is THE most important thing.

barndoor willie · Newbie Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 8

dude, you obviously did not take the time to read and digest what I said... I like to take enough time to read and write so that my thoughts are composed in a way that is sensible and relevant to the subject - I don't just say the first thing that flys out of my mind...

If you read and understand - you will notice that I did discuss how a board rides...

My conclusion was that (for the most part) a skate is a skate, especially when it comes to flate skates... and that in my opinion, good ol' wood cassetteeque shaped skates ride the best...

So moving past the rideability to the next obvious subject... in that category of skates what is the next factor for choosing a board?

no offence, but next time take the time and show enough respect to actually understand what you read before you post.

electricsnow · Posted: Jul 05, 2003 12:21 pm Post subject:

Josh, I totally see where barndoor willie is coming from. He did discuss how a board rides and basically said that "a wood deck is a wood deck." (please note sarcasm)

I don't really know where to begin. First of all, it seems like you are judging each respective deck by what you see. Did you ever notice that the kampus decks come in two different ply set ups? Did you notice that the four trac has a larger nose than tail for nose and tail slides? There is more to a wakeskate than meets the eye, and I think you have an easy time discrediting all of the innovations these companies have come up with because you weren't the one conceptualizing them. These attributes do make a difference, so a wood deck is not just a wood deck. And just because your friend can't ride a kampus doesn't mean it's not a functional shape. Also, larger noses have been around in skating, but if it's such an obvious idea, why didn't someone develop a wakeskate with a large nose at least five years ago? I think thomas is incredibly creative and insightful, and who knows how many other ideas are creeping up there in his head, waiting to be released to a public that understands and appreciates it. Obviously not everyone that wakeskates skateboards, so something like that might be wasted technology.....clearly

In regards to the concave, the idea has been around awhile in skating, if that's what you're referring to (I hope you aren't thinking of the fwt traction pads). And yes, wakeskating has been around for awhile (I first saw it in a wbm in 1995 from some brazillian guy). However, it was a huge step for a company to step up and produce a concave skate. They are a lot more expensive to make than a skateboard, and the process isn't the same either.

Continuing on from "a wood deck is a wood deck," Do you think a hype rides the same as a cassette? Do you think a kampus rides like any of those decks? They are all different-some have a different rocker set up, or different tail and tip widths, or different concaves.

Also, I can't believe you consider cwb a legit wakeskate manufacturer. But I suppose they do push board design.....

I would like to add that in my opinion, cassette has the best graphics (and always has). They have their own artist that sort of brings personality to the decks. Thomas once said that when you look at a cassette, you know it's a cassette deck because of the style of the graphics. YOu don't even have to see the logo to tell. And in regards to the transformer series, I think those were pretty dope because it was a unique way to keep the stereo equipment theme in the board line, graphically speaking. Next years reed deck looks crazy and is totally different from what they've done in the past.

I also want to say that the old brands are working hard. Cassette released their four trac last season, and I know that they are working on something that is totally unique and unprescidented (sp) in wakeskating. And whether people people like the style or not, hype is working on their own stuff too.

Sh!+, I think that's enough.

DockSecret · Addict Joined: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 756 City: Austin, TX

Josh R · Posted: Jul 06, 2003 3:32 am Post subject:

Trust me, I read it. Hell, I just read it again. I'm still getting the same points out of it as the first time I read it...

But hey, I've just come back from a day of snowboarding, and am absolutely stuffed... Maybe I'm missing something. Again.

electricsnow · Posted: Jul 06, 2003 8:04 am Post subject:

I do know that multiple snowboard companies can have their decks made in the same factory (ex: the option factory in canada) but each respective company has their own specs for their snowboards, So I don't think that one big batch is made and then spread over like five companies.