99 bayliner 2050

kartman · Posted: Jun 21, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject:

picked up 4 launch pad 350# sacks. i put one in the locker, and one in the bow walkway. they came with a plug in pump (not sure of the brand but it works good) should i add more to it? i think it should be good. its as far forward i can move it without putting them on the bow seats and loosing my seating. unless anyone has some suggestions. i will be trying it out this weekend when i get back in town from workin.

any one need a set of vdrive 350# sacks? i might be selling a set soon.

dirtysparks · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 2428

That's exactly where you want them. Should work great for you, snap a pic of the wake when you get it all figured out.

Actually depending on how your boat does, you may be able to put a 3rd 350 across, right in front of the rear seats.

kartman · Posted: Jun 21, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject:

the more weight you put in the boat, the less it will want to rock side to side right? especially when its in the ski locker? thats the only thing i dont like about this boat. it rocks side to side a bit more than i thought it would for a 21' boat. i might try to fit both of my longer bags in the locker side by side. i know they wont fill up all the way, but i could get more than 350 in there. (prolly 450-500#'s) then put a vdrive sack in the bow walk way, them maybe the other vdrive sack in the back against the engine wall.

dirtysparks · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 2428

I'd start with what you have and adjust it from there. I don't think 150 lbs extra in the ski locker is going to make much difference in your side to side rocking. You've got a pretty deep V, that's just how it is. Ask any Centurion owner.

cheesewizz · Outlaw Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 231

i would also love to see a pic of this new wake! oh and i will totally buy a set if there still for sale?

kartman · Posted: Jun 25, 2010 5:27 am Post subject:

will do. i have a waterproof camera, so i will be taking some pics of the wake from behind the boat. and i have some before pics from behind the boat. should be about monday or tuesday.

pet575 · Posted: Jun 25, 2010 6:45 am Post subject:

kartman, I think you're gonna be good with 350 in the ski locker and 350 on the floor between the bow seats. You're going to have to take into consideration at some point your boat's weight capacity and its performance overall with all this weight in it. There is a certain limit to what we can do to our I/O's.

I think you're gonna see a BIG difference in your wake, though. I know that my 600 lbs in the bow makes things much nicer for riding.

Did you end up getting the High 5 you mentioned on page 1?

brichter14 · Addict Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 705

Yeah kartman you need a high 5 if your gonnq have any type of ballast. I have a merc 3.0 and my 17p works amazing

kartman · Posted: Jun 25, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject:

i havnt gotten a high 5 yet. i do have a 20p 4 blade tho. holeshots are crazy fast.

kartman · Posted: Jun 28, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject:

just got some pics loaded up. the wake was huge! i only had 350 in the locker, and 350 in the walkway. i need to pick up a 19p high 5. it took a while to get on plane, but it was managable. here is some pics of that, and a video of me ridding. please give me tips where you see fit.

i also picked up a set of kicker kmt6's for 50$. i will be installing them tomorow.

nicvtx · Newbie Joined: 23 Dec 2009 Posts: 23 City: sydney

you should think about installing perfect pass, makes life so much easier

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Wake looks pretty good. Looks like you're close but need to stay on the edge a bit more at the end of your cut to make the W2W. What length are you running your rope?

kartman · Posted: Jun 29, 2010 5:08 am Post subject:

nicvtx, i have the brain and the gauge. i just need to buy all the other pieces and install it. but yes it would make life easier. but luckily i have a buddy that can drive the boat like a champ. he is better than me!

Okie Boarder, im riding at 55'. ive landed in the flats a few times. i guess i just need to suck it up and cut harder.

pet575 · Posted: Jun 29, 2010 8:13 am Post subject:

Yep, I'd recommend a High-5 and PP for any I/O. Speaking from experience, it is night and day since it is pretty tough to maintain a constant speed with all that weight.

Riding wise, you've got to edge harder and do it all the way through the wake. And don't absorb ANY of the wake with bent knees.

dirtysparks · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 2428

Before your cut into the wake don't spend so much time on the outside. Cut hard to the outside, even out and wait for the rope to pull you back into the wake. Then get on your heels and build your edge so it's greatest at the wake. Keep that handle on your hip too, you've got your arms extended most of the time.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

55' is good for an I/O. I think I was riding either 55' or 60'. I would agree you need to edge harder. I'm still working on that so I can get a truly great pop from only a little ways away from the wake. The thing you should do that seems to be helping me is that right when you think you've edged hard enough and you're at the wake, edge just a bit harder and pop.

kartman · Posted: Jul 01, 2010 10:01 am Post subject:

Okie Boarder, will try. im heading out tomorow morning for a 3 day weekend and b-day party for little man at the lake. will let you know how it goes.

ckdollar · Criminal Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Posts: 75

kartman, where did you get those slimmer 350# sacks? I can't seem to find them anywhere on the net.

kartman · Posted: Jul 06, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject:

i bought them off of craigs list. im selling one of them and one of my v-drive sacks. shoot me an offer.

kartman · Posted: Jul 07, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject:

heres some pics i took while in the water. sorry for the blurry pics, it was a water proof disposable camera.

Shaunivy · Newbie Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 5

Love your project. very nice work!
I have a 98 Bayliner 2050 5.0. What tower is that and where did you get it? Fits the lines of the boat nice and that's what I want. Also how did you end up weight wise? I just picked up some sandbags to put under the front bow seats (200lbs) as my first weight addition. The boat wants to porpose pretty bad, even with the trim down, hope some weight will help. I will be replacing the interior this fall. Any hints appreciated.

kartman · Posted: Aug 23, 2010 11:06 am Post subject:

i got the tower from raul at DIY. let him know jeff from idaho sent you. link below.
http://www.diywake.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=615

and for weight, i have 350 in the locker, 350 in the bow, a full tank of gas, a 350 right infront of the engine, and another 350 in the middle if i really want to get crazy. unless i have 10 people in the boat, than i just run the 350 in the locker. with more people, the wake is washed, and hard to clean up. it is better with only 3 people and the ballast filled. the wake is alittle above the knee and has a nice ramp to it. i am running a 20p 4 blade you might want to try a 17-18p as i have a little more hp. right around 100 to be exact, trim up about 1/3 up (untill the wash goes away) pulls out of the hole nice, and will run 45 with all the weight in it. i can get it to maintain speed fairly well at 23mph. and the sweet spot i have found is about 65ft back.

Shaunivy · Newbie Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 5

Great info! It is nice to find someone with nearly the same boat and also addicted to the wake. 100 extra horses....man that is sweet! I can't trim mine out to 1/3, only maybe 1/4 without bouncing right now. Wake is still foamy. Like I said, no weight yet. picked up 200lb of sand to put in the bow today. Sounds like I need to get some more. I don't want to run crazy heavy. Wife is addicted to tubing, and I can't mess that up. I hoped sandbags would cure the bounce and a fatsac in the locker when I want the wake. Did you have problem with the boat trying to porpose (bow bounce) before you added weight?

kartman · Posted: Aug 23, 2010 11:29 am Post subject:

yes i did. i think the boat is a little on the light side and moves around alot before the weight. i almost always run with the 350 in the locker. it keeps it tracking straighter, and bounces allot less. and for tubing, find a nice big cove where no one is, full up the ballast, and try to get them to jump the wake on the tube!!! its masive fun! key part is to find a cove where no one is.

Shaunivy · Newbie Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 5

I play on Lake Guntersville in North Alabama. 69000 Acres. Plenty of places to play. We get pretty crazy with the tubing. Im just saying I can't fill it all with deadweight sandbags. I need to be able to dump the ballast or I will burn to much gas tubing.
I just got this boat for $2000 last month and couldn't be happier. Motor runs good and strong. needs some TLC, but thats what makes it a good project. Hope to have a tower and new interior by spring.
How does the weight affect cornering. Without weight it really doesn't corner very well. feels like it will tip if you turn tight. I still have my 1990 Bayliner 1850 3.0 that will turn on a dime and never ever make you feel like it will tip.
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kartman · Posted: Aug 23, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject:

good lookin boat, and a great buy for 2k. without the weight in the boat, it will slide on the top of the water if i push it hard. with the weight in the locker, it locks in and turns like a go kart. really hard. check in front of the ski locker door for rot. that is the most common place that rot starts. bayliner skimped on the fiberglass coating on the floor. mostly just resin, and it cracks then the wood soaks up the water.

Shaunivy · Newbie Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 5

I have some rot under the driver seat, around the drain by the back seat and under the back seat. Once the carpet comes up I will know for sure what else will need it. The only major problem is a spot of busted fiberglass where it hit a dock pretty hard on the very back right corner. All cracks are above the rub rail so it is just cosmetic, but that will be the first project. Many of the seams are split on the seats. I am looking into using www.copycatcovers.com to have new interior done. Basically take all the fabric off the boat, ship it to them and they use them as patterns to make new covers. Plan to have one long back seat instead of 3 little ones so they won't blow out going down the road, then hinge the seat like a lid. Priced out at $1395 including side panels and all seats. I got the 200lb in the bow last night. 2-50lb sandbags under each seat up front except the center. I really dont want to loose my anchor storage and it is pretty heavy anyway. I had to work to late yesterday to go for a test run. Maybe tonight.

kartman · Posted: Aug 24, 2010 9:31 am Post subject:

sounds pretty good. that should be enough to stop it from porporsing. plan on at least $2500 to do the floor with wood, glass, and carpet. it can be done in a couple weeks if you bust ass on it, but i took longer cause im lazy and like to dring beer. but the best thing is you will have >5k into a boat that books for around 8 and up. i cant wait to see the pics of your project.

kartman · Posted: May 21, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject:

wow, i cant believe i didnt update this as i did more things to the boat this winter. as soon as i get a break in the weather i will add pics. the things i did is

21p high 5
perfect pass wakeboard pro
custom built bimini
new kicker tower speakers

didnt have the money to put in the new seating, or the extended swim platform cause we bought a house over the winter. but thats ok, owning our own house trumps work on the boat.

we had it out a couple times so far this year. every day for the last week! i dont even think it is the same boat with the prop and perfect pass. it is night and day. by far the best money spent on the boat.

Shaunivy · Newbie Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 5

Kartman,
I finally got my boat done and out in the water. It is the 98 2050 ss with 5.0. I have been working with the weights and can't seem to get the boat to handle good at all in the turns. the weight in the bow help with the porpoise but thats all. When you turn this thing it feels like you are going to flip it. Not my first boat, this is that crazy feel when the hull is on top of the water laying over at a 45deg or more angle and you are not even turning tight. I had everyone in the boat scream and some asked to get off when trying to turn at 30mph. That shouldn't be possible. I have a hard time turning sharp enought to get a tube to cross the wake at any speed. I have put as much as 450lb in the ski locker and 200 under front seats and it still does it. Even with 8 people+weight. It does it both left and right turns, but significantly more to the left. Anybody got any ideas. My wife wont even drive it. Which means.....I can't play. Could it possibly be prop related?

dbismyname · Posted: Jun 14, 2011 12:30 pm Post subject:

Sounds like you have a hull full of water, probably soaked foam and wood

doc1 · Newbie Joined: 23 Apr 2011 Posts: 5

No offense, I'm sorry but that seems like a ton of work for not much wake. I ride behind an 18'6 Larson outboard with 200 pounds of weights under the rear seats usually between 5 and 9 people in the boat(mostly small girls). I only have a ski pole and I can go bigger and the wake stays more consistent.