1992 Sport nautique or 2001 Ski Supreme V220

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Hey all!

Any thoughts on the following boat? http://www.cvmarine.com/Page.aspx/diid/6190231/list/InventoryList/pageId/18773/view/Details/1992-Nautique-Wakeboard--Ski-Sport-Nautique.aspx

The only problems I could find were the blower motor was on its way out, two small tears in the rear bench, the amps need rewired, and one small chunk out of the bottom of the boat. We are going to be paying about 11 out the door unless we can convince them to do 10 out the door which is out goal.

I really like that this is a boat from a dealer with a reputation to uphold and the whole trailer has been rhino lined and has new tires and wheels. We are likely going with it but wanted to see if anyone had any "don't do it's!!!"

Baltfrog · Addict Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Posts: 555 City: Baltimore

I've been obsessively searching for boats, and IMO this seems priced a tad high. I feel like I've seen sport nautiques that are newer with fewer hours that have been sitting long enough, that youd probably end up paying about the same amount. Especially considering the work that needs done unless you mean they are willing to complete the work at that price. I may be wrong but that's just based on my searches.

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Yeah for sure. I could definitely see that it's a little pricey. My thinking is that as it already has the things I would need to get on a lot of the other boats we were looking at in the price range (nice radio, depth, tower, good trailer, etc. also, not having wood stringers is HUGE for us. I also really do like that it comes from a dealer. As they said, while there is no warranty they wouldn't just say "tough luck" if it throws a rod the first time out.

I know this is on the budget boat list in this forum but just to confirm, this boat throws a good wake right?

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Also, the dealer swore that the boat had a full fiberglass hull. However, from my forum searching I believe '93 is the transition year to fiberglass, meaning in '92 there was still wooden stringers. I looked in the engine compartment and in all of the storage spots but could not find any wood...leading me to think he was right?

Thoughts?

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I had a '92 Sport from 04-07. The wake on it is really good. I put about 1400 pounds in it and it was stacked. I think I had a 750 across the backseat and 2 350s lined through the front-walkway. I couldn't ever get a good surf wake out of it, but that's tough in a DD anyway. This one looks like it's in much better shape than the one I had. I haven't kept up with the prices on them though, so I can't help you there.

The '92 does have wood stringers (I'm 90something % sure). I'm not sure if it was 93 or 94 that they converted to all fiber. The wood is covered with fiberglass so you wouldn't see it. I would feel around for soft spots in the floor. I never had a problem with soft spots in mine.

I would want them to fix the blower and the amps just to make sure there aren't larger problems, maybe the amps don't work at all?

But no, in general it's a good boat, it rides a little low to the water, which all of them do for that era. The cut-out in the back seat you have to be careful with when coming to a stop, if you kill the throttle it'll send water in through there and douse people in the back seat. Also the ECM ignition units were bad on that year, I'd check to see if they were replaced. If it's original it will look like a set of plastic boxes next to each other. The replaced system would be your traditional points system. This is all from memory back in 05-06. Let me know if you have any questions.

JoLo_Si · Criminal Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 87 City: Orlando

I've been searching like crazy the last few weeks and this looks like a good boat but I think you could find a newer one for the same price. From what I have read you can make a nice wake with that boat but I'm in your price range and holding out for a '95+ because of the stringers and some other issues that were fixed over the early sports. The '97+ has the original SAN hull which is the best DD wake you can get (reportedly).

I think that if you get it for 10K out the door you will be happy with that boat for a long time and never look back at this thread.

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Alright...well here are two curve balls. If I am looking in the 10k range, would it make sense to look at under 15K range? Will I get THAT much more boat?

How about this? http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2849886024.html

Or this? http://www.salinasvalleymarine.com/pre_owned_detail.asp?sid=04603845X2K13K2012J11I42I20JAMQ5194R0&veh=2442108

vette74 · Posted: Feb 13, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject:

Ski supreme hands down for me it is a v-drive and has a tower.

Baltfrog · Addict Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Posts: 555 City: Baltimore

Remember too that its a down economy and gas is expensive. It's a buyers market, if its listed at 15 come in around 10 or 12 worst you get is a no maybe a counter offer or maybe a yes.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

Ski Supreme for sure. V-drive makes a huge difference, and it's 9 years newer. If it's in good shape.

JoLo_Si · Criminal Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 87 City: Orlando

Jump on that Ski Supreme before some one else does and your left kicking yourself and staring at an engine box in the middle of the boat you do end up with.

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

We are trying! The guy has been a bit difficult to get a hold of. Smile

JoLo_Si · Criminal Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 87 City: Orlando

Guy probably figured out it's underpriced because he is getting a ton of responses.

Baltfrog · Addict Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Posts: 555 City: Baltimore

Or jolo bought it and he's currently making his way down the west coast to shoot through the panama canal and back to orlando.

JoLo_Si · Criminal Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 87 City: Orlando

Shhhhh Baltfrog, I'm at the airport right now... J/K Mr. Green

But if I find out cavilry didn't jump on that thing I may be taking a trip just to kick his a**... J/K Again. Wink

Baltfrog · Addict Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Posts: 555 City: Baltimore

If you are boarding the whole way let me know, ill get dropped in the gulf for the home stretch haha

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Haha, believe me, I followed up. Finally got a hold of the guy and he had a deposit put on it last night for a test ride this afternoon. He will let me know if it doesn't get sold. I don't know HOW someone beat me to it. I literally called him 27 minutes after the ad was posted!!! Argh!

Here are my next 3 options:

Had to low ball this one, it is a bit rough: http://www.salinasvalleymarine.com/pre_owned_detail.asp?sid=04603845X2K13K2012J11I42I20JAMQ5194R0&veh=2442108

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/2827844340.html

I got some photos on this one from the guy and checking it out this weekend: http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2851010841.html

JoLo_Si · Criminal Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 87 City: Orlando

That sucks, you can't be any more on the ball than that. I would normally never suggest offering more than asking but this one, I don't know...

Don't go with the Ski Nautique if your going to wakeboard behind it, you won't be happy even if you add all the toys when you could have had a Sport with the SAN hull.

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Even though the title says Ski Nautique, the body of the ad says Air Nautique and I THINK that is what it is (it has built in ballast and stuff). Here are the photos I got sent.

JoLo_Si · Criminal Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 87 City: Orlando

I'm no expert but I would ask the guys at CCfans.com because I can't tell from looking at it if it's a Ski or Air/Sport. I also think the "Air" model had some modifications to the hull from the Sport that didn't really turn out to be great. However, having the accessories built is a nice plus at a good price.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I rode on one "Air" and wasn't impressed with the wake.. I believe it was an 01. I second the recommendation to check CCFans.com on that one. Those guys know their Nautiques.

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Hey Brad
Out of curiosity, what did you find problematic with the wake on the Air Nautique? I have read some mixed reviews but my buddy who owned a wake shop in the Chico area and worked on the development of the airs swears by it. To quote him "set the perfect pass at 24, fill the on-board ballast, set the rope at 80 ft, and hold on for a good time" haha.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

It was just overall size. And maybe it was just the configuration that he had in there. The Super Air is a completely different story. That is one of the classic wakes in the industry. I think for some reason the "Air" was actually a different hull.

Again the CCFan guys would know best.

JoLo_Si · Criminal Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 87 City: Orlando

Again, no expert but I don't think the Air's came with PP. Was he talking about the Super Air? I think the Air is a modification of the ski hull where the Super Air is the sport hull with accessories.

Look at me, start researching boats for a couple weeks and all the sudden I think I'm an expert.

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

From what I have been able to find (and let me add that I love forums but you always need to take the information with a grain of salt...I have seen one thread state as "fact" something completely different than the other thread stated as fact), the Air is the same hull as the Sport. The "Pro Air" was the same, but added on the TWC.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

That's right, it was the Pro Air that my friend had. The Pros were not supposed to be as good. I couldn't remember the distinction.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Welp...I didnt really go with any of them actually. I ended up with one of my original choices, a Supra Sunsport. Here it is after a good polish and wax. Anyone have any suggestions for a tower? I am looking at Monster, Joystick, or diywake.com

Baltfrog · Addict Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Posts: 555 City: Baltimore

Let's see some pics of that interior

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

I don't have any that I have taken...yet, but here are the ones from the ad. I really am going to need to redo the upholstery...just gotta find a good local place I think...

Baltfrog · Addict Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Posts: 555 City: Baltimore

What did it run you, if you don't mind me asking

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

It is a 1990 Supra Sunsport that I payed $5,500 for. It has the 351 PCM engine which from the test drive runs great and everything. There are a decent amount of hours (821) but the boat came with all service records and seems to have been well taken care of for the most part.

Like I said, the biggest concern is in the interior. These are of course wood stringer and floor boats, and there is one soft spot. The engine mounts were VERY solid though so we are hopeful...knock on wood. We will be replacing the floors though, just to get it all up and check it out. The seats are mostly in good condition but there is a decent amount of sun cracking on some of the cushions. If we can find someone with the patterns, we will be replacing them.

The wake, with no weight and 4 people, was surprisingly impressive. These are on the top 5 list of best "budget" wake boats and I can see why. I would say with our normal crew of 6-7 people and a few hundred pounds of ballast that this boat would be a beast of a boat for the price.

chawk610 · Addict Joined: 06 Jul 2010 Posts: 668 City: Fort Worth

Looks like you made a pretty good deal. 821 hours is not that much if it was taken care of.
www.copycatcovers.com
I think you send them your skins, and they send you new ones back (for a nominal fee of course)

Please keep us posted on you restoration!!!!!!!

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I run about 1300# of weight in my Sunsport...800# in back in the ski locker and under rear seat, combined, and about 500# up front down in hte bilge under the cooler and right in front of the cooler on the floor, combined. With that amount of weight it throws a really good wake. When we first started we were running about 900#, using 350# bags on the floor on either side of the engine and a little hard weight in the front bow storage and under the rear seat.

cavilry · Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 21 City: San Jose

Nice! Great to know! Any chance you have a photo or video of the wake? I always love seeing what this thing is capable of! Smile

And Chawk610, thanks so much! I actually contacted them yesterday to see what they can do. Estimate of about $2k before shipping...not horrible but not as cheap as I would like. I have been quoted about that around here including installation.