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KC Jazz Newbie

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 33 City: Kansas City
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject: Just picked up my first wakeskate for $50....check it out. |
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Well my dad just bought our first wake boat yesterday, and it came with a nice wakeboard.....but today I went to Dick's Sports to look around, and I saw this wakeskate for $50! It was originally $120...and it looks almost identical to my friend's Hyperlite which I got up on after a few tries.
Bottom line- Is this $50 wakeskate worth it? I'm not planning on going pro but if it's not worth it then I'll just return it.
I'm not really too sure of the brand...it looks like 'HO Wake'.
BTW, I'm not expecting it to be some amazing board...and also it's a 115, is that too small for somebody 140 lbs?
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Lastthingusee Criminal

Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 60
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| dude I just got the same one a couple days ago except it's a little bigger.
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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not a good board, not worth $50 when you can get a cassette for $75 shipped.
no its not too small, that's actually on the bigger end, the biggest I know of is 116.
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KC Jazz Newbie

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 33 City: Kansas City
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| aloharodeo wrote: | not a good board, not worth $50 when you can get a cassette for $75 shipped.
no its not too small, that's actually on the bigger end, the biggest I know of is 116. |
It's not a good board? What's so bad about it? I mean is it good enough to spend the time to learn on? I know I will ever do any flip tricks so if it's good enough to have fun fooling around on I'm gonna keep it.
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logan Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Posts: 1913 City: Jackson, CA
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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KC Jazz, congrats on the Hyperlite purchase, thats basically an HL scape from the looks of it. You'll do some progressing on it and then find out your possibilities are limited, just ride it ghetto style...hahaha
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wakeboarder55 Outlaw


Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 202 City: nor cal
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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i thought ho sports just mades skis and tubes
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Authentic_04 wrote: | | KC Jazz, congrats on the Hyperlite purchase, thats basically an HL scape from the looks of it. You'll do some progressing on it and then find out your possibilities are limited, just ride it ghetto style...hahaha |
no, no, no. Hyperlite skates are way better than this. I know several people with scapes that love them and do great on them. This is a HO board, and we know all HOs are cheap(ly made). It's craptastic!!!!!!!!!
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| wakeboarder55 wrote: | | i thought ho sports just mades skis and tubes |
you thought wrong
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 09, 2004 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| KC Jazz wrote: | | aloharodeo wrote: | not a good board, not worth $50 when you can get a cassette for $75 shipped.
no its not too small, that's actually on the bigger end, the biggest I know of is 116. |
It's not a good board? What's so bad about it? I mean is it good enough to spend the time to learn on? I know I will ever do any flip tricks so if it's good enough to have fun fooling around on I'm gonna keep it. |
yeah, you can learn on it. Don't expect to be able to progress. Don't expect it to last too long. You'll just end up buying another board. A cassette will let you progress and last longer and is only $25 more.
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KC Jazz Newbie

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 33 City: Kansas City
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 10:58 am Post subject: |
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yeah, you can learn on it. Don't expect to be able to progress. Don't expect it to last too long. You'll just end up buying another board. A cassette will let you progress and last longer and is only $25 more. |
What's a cassette? I'm literally retarded when it comes to wakeskating, this is my first purchase ever. And my not progressing, what's that mean? I'd be happy if I could learn to just jump W2W. Again, I'm never going to do a flip trick, maybe a shove it but nothing beyond that. If I won't be able to do what I said I hoped to do then I'll return it.
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| KC Jazz wrote: | | Quote: |
yeah, you can learn on it. Don't expect to be able to progress. Don't expect it to last too long. You'll just end up buying another board. A cassette will let you progress and last longer and is only $25 more. |
What's a cassette? I'm literally retarded when it comes to wakeskating, this is my first purchase ever. And my not progressing, what's that mean? I'd be happy if I could learn to just jump W2W. Again, I'm never going to do a flip trick, maybe a shove it but nothing beyond that. If I won't be able to do what I said I hoped to do then I'll return it. |
not progessing: you'll get to a point where you could be better, but the board is holding you back. That place would be different for different people.
http://cassettewakeskates.com/
cassettes on evogear.com
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RUSSIAN Wakeboarder.com Freak


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 4081 City: NOR*CAL
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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There is no reason that that board will hold you back, Some of the sickest $h!t has gone down on flat decks.
HO and Hyperlite are the same company
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Has nothing to do with it being flat RUSSIAN, it has to do with it being crap.
I have to say though HL and HO are under the same ownership the quality is of HL is way higher, it's not the same product.
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chavez Ladies Man


Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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aloharodeo, I'm betting you are wrong and Russian is right. From what I understand, the "brand" "HO Sports" uses old designs HL use to press for themselves and others, and presses them (skates and boards) in the same facilities to save costs hence lowering the price to the end consumer.
I CAN confirm this a little later on today, but from what I understand, this is the case.
Ever buy "generic" or "in-house" brands at the grocery store? Who do you think makes that stuff, the grocery store? Of course not. They outsource to a name brand and have it relabled as their own - but the stuff in the jar is exactly the same.
IIRC, this was how Hydroslide was doing it as well.
Who cares anyhow, bottom line is this kid got a skate for $50. For that price, he can beat the piss out of it and move on without losing big money, or even the $25 it would have cost him to get a Cassette.
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KC Jazz Newbie

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 33 City: Kansas City
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Davo.FSF wrote: | | Anyways, KC Jazz, Thats awesome that you got that skate for $50. Since you even said your not looking to go pro thats going to be fun to mess around on but still learn. Have fun on it and there is nothing wrong with it. |
Alright, sweet....that's what I was looking for. I've definitly decided to keep it, and I already started sanding off the graphics for a new paint job Pics later!
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logan Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Posts: 1913 City: Jackson, CA
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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KC Jazz, thats awesome you are paintin it, my HL scape 112 which looks to be the same just got its facelift too. Make sure you clear coat it. Mine is pure ghetto style hahaha, take a look...

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KC Jazz Newbie

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 33 City: Kansas City
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Posted: Aug 10, 2004 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hey man, that's tight! How'd you go about doing it? I was thinking I'm just gonna sand off 80% of the graphics till it's pretty smooth, then paint it, then clear coat it. Any good clear coats for water use? I'm not gonna be on any rails or anything so I'm not worried about it getting scratched.
Edit...btw, I was planning on using some old Emerica skate shoes to wake skate in....I know most people wear shoes but does it matter if they're actually made for wake skating or not?
Also, is the ollie pretty much the same as it is in skateboarding? Slam the tail, slide the foot up, etc etc.
Second edit....I was thinking of incorporating the Hyperlite logo into the design now that I found out the board is basically a Hyperlite with a new name. Am I gonna get flamed for that? I have lots of ideas running through my mind and that's one of them.
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 11, 2004 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| YELLOWMOBIUS wrote: | | aloharodeo why do you care what he buys i think you should just keep your thoughts to yourself if you dont have anything nice to say RUDE people suck |
he asked what everyone though of it, it if was worth the money. He didn't ask to hear only nice things.
who's the one being rude here? I've only talked about what I though of the board. I haven't said anything about any person here. If it's possible to be rude to an inanimate object, then sure I'm guilty, so what?
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K-dub Ladies Man

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760
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Posted: Aug 11, 2004 11:08 am Post subject: |
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aloharodeo, I think the problem here is that you are trying to bash a product that you obviously know nothing about. Maybe you should do a bit more research, or gain some more real life experience with the product that you claim is, "not a good board, not worth the $50" before you start in with any kind of advice on a wakeskate....
..and for your info...Russian and Chavez hit the nail right on the head.
KC Jazz, to me it sounds like you got a killer deal on a skate that you will have alot of fun on...go tear it up man!
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K-dub Ladies Man

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760
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Posted: Aug 11, 2004 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| aloharodeo wrote: | | Authentic_04 wrote: | | KC Jazz, congrats on the Hyperlite purchase, thats basically an HL scape from the looks of it. You'll do some progressing on it and then find out your possibilities are limited, just ride it ghetto style...hahaha |
no, no, no. Hyperlite skates are way better than this. I know several people with scapes that love them and do great on them. This is a HO board, and we know all HOs are cheap(ly made). It's craptastic!!!!!!!!! |
...my case in point.
How long have you been wakeboarding/skating for? Not too long I guess.
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colefooter Wakeboarder.com Freak

Joined: 22 Jun 2003 Posts: 3925 City: Fairborn, OH.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2004 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Im not going to bash on anyone here, i think the skate looks nice. So are HO skates designed after HL skates? I have kind of noticed a trend about this and HL bindings, like the HO Orbits kind of seem like Spins and stuff like that..
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midwest wake Addict

Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 629 City: Middleton
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Posted: Aug 11, 2004 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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aloharodeo, HO and HL are under the same name, and having that, they probably go through the same inspections of quality.
the reasons you think HO stuff is "cheap(ly made)" is because you aren't paying for the name HL.
HO is a company that has in the past been skiing and tubbing. keeping the wakeboard stuff up to the name HL. O'BRIEN has been making wakeboards and skis for some time and has been profitable at both had have done a good job. so now HO is venturing in to the wakeboard market. HL is getting some fun as the things from HO and JOBE might not have the same pricetag or name it's pretty much the same thing.
i rode a HO wakesurfer, pretty much the exact same thing as the landock but with out hte foot bump in the back and bigger finns i think.
KC Jazz, you will do just the same if it was a scape. $50 is almost always worth it.
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 11, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| K-dub wrote: | | aloharodeo wrote: | | Authentic_04 wrote: | | KC Jazz, congrats on the Hyperlite purchase, thats basically an HL scape from the looks of it. You'll do some progressing on it and then find out your possibilities are limited, just ride it ghetto style...hahaha |
no, no, no. Hyperlite skates are way better than this. I know several people with scapes that love them and do great on them. This is a HO board, and we know all HOs are cheap(ly made). It's craptastic!!!!!!!!! |
...my case in point.
How long have you been wakeboarding/skating for? Not too long I guess.  |
only 7 years.
I just know that I've owned HL boards, I have friends with HL scapes, we've never had problems, they served us good. I also know people that USED TO have HO boards, they bought new ones 'cause they cracked, yeah cracked, and they never even used them on sliders.
I've never known anyone that owned an HO and had good things to say about it.
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scott a Ladies Man


Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810
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Posted: Aug 11, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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someone correct me if im wrong here...
HO=herb obrien. owner/creater/etc of HO sports waaay back in the day. they made water sports stuff in including skis, tubes, ropes etc. paul obrien then began the wakeboard division and called it hyperlite. hyperlite has since taken off and become huge while skiing has kinda dropped in popularity. meanwhile they STILL make tubes and other water accessories as they have been since basically day one. they take old hyperlite shapes and throw their name on them. notice how this one resembles a scape, and another wakeboard resembles the old drifter shape...since its the same company, they can do this as much as they want and most of the people out there dont know the difference.
and about the skate for 50 bucks- go for it. i doubt that you will see much of a difference between any two flat skates. that HO board was pressed by hyperlite so the quality is the same as the HL scape, just with different graphics and foam top.
aloharodeo, careful now, the 03 cassettes have had huuuuge problems with de-laminating...i wouldnt bash on HL too much here.
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K-dub Ladies Man

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760
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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 7:39 am Post subject: |
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aloharodeo, so you just proved my point even further....
For someone who claims to have ridden for 7 years, you sure don't know too much about the industry. scott a, basically summed it up for you exactly.
Now can you please tell me how a HL Scape and this HO skate in question are different skates of different quality?
I really doubt that you can.....same animal, different paint job.
Like I said earlier, gain some factual knowledge, or some real life experience with the product before you go spewing out b.s. claims about something that you obviously know nothing about.
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 8:51 am Post subject: |
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As I said:
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I just know that I've owned HL boards, I have friends with HL scapes, we've never had problems, they served us good. I also know people that USED TO have HO boards, they bought new ones 'cause they cracked, yeah cracked, and they never even used them on sliders.
I've never known anyone that owned an HO and had good things to say about it. |
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K-dub Ladies Man

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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 8:53 am Post subject: |
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aloharodeo, I think you're missing the point somewhere....
SAME DAMN THING!
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chavez Ladies Man


Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 8:58 am Post subject: |
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aloharodeo, by that logic, then all Hyperlite models which share the same press/mold/form as HO must also suck.
That's like saying an Izuzu Rodeo is a pile of sh*t but a Honda Passport is not.
The name brand on the product does not define the quality of the product in this case.
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aloharodeo Soul Rider

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 438 City: Panama City
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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I'll repeat myself once more.
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I just know that I've owned HL boards, I have friends with HL scapes, we've never had problems, they served us good. I also know people that USED TO have HO boards, they bought new ones 'cause they cracked, yeah cracked, and they never even used them on sliders.
I've never known anyone that owned an HO and had good things to say about it. |
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chavez Ladies Man


Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 9:02 am Post subject: |
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aloharodeo, by that logic, then all Hyperlite models which share the same press/mold/form as HO must also suck.
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So will I.
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scott a Ladies Man


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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| chavez-y-chavez wrote: | | ME wrote: |
aloharodeo, by that logic, then all Hyperlite models which share the same press/mold/form as HO must also suck.
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So will I. |
so you guys are sayin that hyperlite some models suck? no way!
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K-dub Ladies Man

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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 9:21 am Post subject: |
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MY GOD, this is like talking to a f'n brick wall!!!
attention everyone, aloharodeo is the new self proclaimed industry insider. All hail the chief!
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chavez Ladies Man


Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 9:23 am Post subject: |
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scott a, you are going to need to sit down for this one.
OK, you sitting?
Good. Yes young squire, not all things Hyperlite reign supreme. There are other brands which are of the same quality or better than Hyperlite. I know this is a tough pill to swallow, but it is the truth, and you should now go and spread the word to the rest of the villagers.
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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 9:29 am Post subject: |
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"Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie?"
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chavez Ladies Man


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Posted: Aug 12, 2004 9:32 am Post subject: |
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J-Ro, nice Seinfeld ref... I just need to plug in an aloharodeo voice.
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