4- N.Korean Migs and a U.S. spy plane.

Krashr31 · Outlaw Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 238 City: Florida

I just read on Msnbc.com that 4 N. korean jets flew within 50 feet of one of our spy planes for over twenty minute and even got a missile lock on it. Thats whack!

nick e[V]ans · Posted: Mar 03, 2003 11:48 pm Post subject:

where abouts, and why is that whack!

ohsix · Posted: Mar 03, 2003 11:50 pm Post subject:

Im gonna guess this occured over north korea and it is whack because spy planes aren't supposed to be found. Just guessin though.

nick e[V]ans · Posted: Mar 03, 2003 11:55 pm Post subject:

maybe, but i thought it was whack cos they got a missile lock on it cos it was american, i was gonna say it is actually a SPY plane, so they had a right to shoot the thing down, well maybe not a right, but i'm sure america would shoot down a n.korean plane if it were in US airspace

Swass · Guest

The plane was over international waters. Yes, it was a spy plane, but it wasn't trying to hide; the North Koreans know it's there. If it had been over North Korean territory, they WOULD HAVE shot it down. This kind of incident hasn't happened since 1969, when they shot down a reconnaissance plane, killing more than 30 people. Let the sabre rattling begin.

Josh R · Posted: Mar 04, 2003 5:58 am Post subject:

Hmmm... We live in interesting times... Sad

forwaken · Addict Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 635 City: Turlock, CA

I agree with Nick, coming from America we do way too much policing. I also believe if their are any foreign planes even somewhat close to say, Hawaii, our government would send a carrier fleet to knock it out of the sky. We are very hypocritical when it comes to things like these. Sometimes I think we cause our own problems by invading everyone elses space. Thanks Nick, it is nice to hear what others out of the country feel about us. Sometimes we can get "American Goggles" sometimes.
Let the flaming begin.

Swass · Guest

What the hell are you talking about? The plane didn't "invade" anything; it was 150 MILES off the coast in INTERNATIONAL air space.

The Russians do the same thing to us all the time.

Mullet Man · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 132 City: SoCal

There have been many planes that have come close to the US including Hawaii and Alaska. There are even more instances with Submarines. The US does not just blow up everything that enters our airspace. I am sure a spy plain that is 150 miles off shore is pretty threatening, expecially something the size of a 707 matched up against 4 migs. Sac up and have some patriotism. That American Goggles line is a bunch of horse crap. If you have a problem with the US doing to much policing so oruselves and other countries are safe why don't you LEAVE. Hove you ever been to a country where the people live in fear? I have, and am quite happy with the efforts of the United States.

Grouch · Posted: Mar 04, 2003 9:24 am Post subject:

Mullet Man,

Nicely stated, I agree with you, a certain amount of policing is needed to keep our way of life safe and free.

MadDog · Soul Rider Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 465 City: Upstate NY

Mullet, I agree 100%. Somebody has to do the policing, and I am glad that the US has the backbone to care about what is happening around the world, and not just be worried about what could affect us today. Allot of the countries that are criticizing our current actions would be a lot worse off if it we not for the US policing efforts in the past.

forwaken · Addict Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 635 City: Turlock, CA

I had a feeling my comments would be taken this way. I love my country and no I don't want to leave. I just feel that we see things way one sided sometimes. As far as planes and submarines getting close to us, show me proof for I have not seen this. When I see proof I will shut up. There is, however, much documented proof of us in other air space doing things we don't quite know about. A certain amount of policing is needed, but why not be done by someone else? Why do we have do everything in every country? And as far as not living in fear, why are we being encouraged to buy duct tape and plastic and living under a different color every day. To me that seems like fear of something happening. I didn't mean to offend anyone, just wanted to offer a different opinion.

OttoNP · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 848 City: MI

On policing and helping other countries:

It is interesting, because many countries bitch about how the U.S. has so much money, resources, etc... they should help other countries that have nothing. They talk about how much excess food we have while others starve in other countries.

Then, when the U.S. tries to help, they bitch about us trying to change their way of life, for interfering, etc... etc...

It's one of those damned if you do damned if you don't things.

Nick
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Krashr31 · Outlaw Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 238 City: Florida

Well at least nobody can say we have intrests in N. Korea for oil.

Their main source of income however is exporting missiles, to whom i wonder?

wake152 · Posted: Mar 04, 2003 12:16 pm Post subject:

i wish we would just bomb the stuff out of them

DaveBrowning · Posted: Mar 04, 2003 12:21 pm Post subject:

for real wake!!

Jen · Outlaw Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 169 City: McQueeney, TX

is it possible to bomb the stuff out of them and not have to go to war?

DaveBrowning · Posted: Mar 04, 2003 12:30 pm Post subject:

yes... just bomb 'em so much that they're scared to death... and if they even try to come after us... bomb the shizzle out of em again!! Twisted Evil

forwaken · Addict Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 635 City: Turlock, CA

eventually you'll run out of bombs then what?

Chales · Guest

I have a feeling it was a distraction for something. This might sound arrogant but I'm pretty sure that if we wanted to stay out of sight of the N. Koreans then we could.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Only problem with that theory Wake152 is N. Korea has Nukes that can reach the west coast. Nice thought though.

Spying is a game that all countries play. We spy and they spy and everyone pretends that it doesn't happen. The public is only notified when spies are discovered in action. I can't believe anyone in the USA would think that foriegn countries don't have spies in our nation.

wake152 · Posted: Mar 04, 2003 1:52 pm Post subject:

not if we hit them first they couldnt

Syth · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 661 City: Brentwood

Be almost assured at least a few missles would get off in time before they were destroyed, but would you really wanna take that chance?

Its like the whole cold war over again, whoever strikes first, almost garunteed not to be the last bomb to hit

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

No one is going to launch the Nuclear Holocaust. At least not a Player like a State or Governing body. The real fear is the non-state third parties like Al-Queda. I don't believe N. Korea is prepared to use Nukes, nor is the USA. They will find a diplomatic solution.

forwaken · Addict Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 635 City: Turlock, CA

One of my professors called it "Mutual Obliteration" -meaning that all countries know they can obliterate each other and that very thought is what keeps them all from pulling the trigger. Good point Nor Cal, but do they really have the means of getting the weapons that we all fear.

Swass · Guest

Gee, that's orginal.

The rest of the world knows it as "Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD)." MAD has been our strategic doctrine since the inception of the Cold War.

forwaken · Addict Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 635 City: Turlock, CA

sorry Swass,

maybe that is what he said, it was a while ago. Thanks for correcting me

Chad

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

It's wasn't supposed to be original Swass. Just making a point that is taught in every International Relations class. The ability to threaten goes a long way in the world. Both in politics and in domestic life. Countries won't go nuclear but they need it as a way of entering the political standing of "first world nations."

Swass · Guest

I wasn't trying to correct you. I assumed you quoted him correctly.

Well, Nor*Cal, since you're not Forwaken, I'm going to assume you don't know what the hell it was supposed to be.

Jeremy Coe · Soul Rider Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 408 City: Auckland

Yeah, but hold on a minute.

The problem is that when the US tries to 'help' other nations, they invariably try to force US doctrines, practices and traditions onto that nation. That is what creates annoyance. And why the hell is a spy plane 150 miles(or about 15 mins flying time) away from North Korea anyway? Taking a joyride?Think not. When it comes to shoot first, ask questions later, America is at the very top of the list. Confused

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Sorry Swass I guess I didn't use the term when I explained the situation. I do understand MAD.

BMontgomery · Criminal Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 55 City: Baytown,TX

WE DON'T FORCE ANYTHING. WE ONLY TRY TO EDUCATE NATIONS ABOUT FREEDOM. ALOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE FREE.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

BMontgomery- The USA tends to cause a lot of trouble during this education. I believe in our Government but we are a "bull in a china shop." It's like the USA is that guy who doesn't realize everything he says is offensive to the people he's around. It's not that our intentions are bad, but we lack tact.

Swass · Guest

I'm sure you do. I don't recall saying otherwise.

forwaken · Addict Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 635 City: Turlock, CA

It is interesting to get people from other countries opinions on these types of issues. They are the only ones who seem to be in agreement. They have the advantage of the "outside looking in." Somewhat like Nor Cal put it, "We are the only ones who don't see why we are acting in a wrong (lack of a better word) matter."