Zimmerman...f'ing liberal media

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Is it? I don't know florida law enough to say.

I am serious though, when I say that we all, including me, need to allow the court to work. And someone should arrest the black panthers that put out a "bounty" on zimmerman's head.

RampageWake · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 8:20 am Post subject:

Well, it does make me a bit uneasy when I hear the special prosecutor make statements like "After meeting with Trayvon's parents that first Monday night after we were appointed, the first thing we did was pray with them". Really? Is that what the state should be doing? Zimmerman may be guilty as hell, I obviously don't know, but let's leave the praying to the "reverands"...

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

DCdave56 · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 9:43 am Post subject:

I'm tired of seeing the media use Trayvon's baby pictures...

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject:

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jgriffith, who's opinion? The police? F'in ROFL Laughing

Taxpayer dollars should be "wasted" on a trial because we have a system in place to determine guilt. It is the job of the police to investigate crimes like these, and report their findings. Their job is not to determine if a person, who ADMITTED to killing another person, is guilty or not. They should have taken the man into custody, and let the DA sort it out after a thorough homicide investigation.

Just "taking the word" of an admitted killer that he pulled his trigger in "self-defense" is laughable.

I will admit, my opinion MIGHT be colored here by the fact that someone did in fact kill one of my family members, then try to claim "self-defense". Fortunately for us, the police did not screw up that investigation and the killer was tried and found guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers. You know, the way the system is designed to work. Rolling Eyes

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject:

Im truly sorry for your loss, I can't even imagine.

In this case, it just doesnt make sense to me to prosecute. The only witness corroberates the defendants version of the facts. How is the prosecutor going to possible disprove z's affirmative defense beyond a reasonable doubt with no witnesses? Without knowing anything about Florida law (went to law school in Texas), I would imagine the defendant merely has to raise the affirmative defense (and probably prove by a preponderance of the evidence, a low standard) in order to shift the burden back to the prosecutor to disprove the affirmative defense beyond a reasonable doubt. I do not know all the facts but, if this was all the police had, it makes no sense to prosecute (other than to appease the mobs).

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jgriffith, there is evidence all over. Ballistics, for one. There were other witnesses who heard the commotion (including Martin's girlfriend).

And there is one extremely strong piece of evidence: a dead kid who was armed with nothing more than a cell phone, a bag of skittles, and an iced tea.

Another strong piece of evidence: a guy, who despite being told by police NOT to pursue, ignored that order and wound up killing an unarmed kid.

Another strong piece of evidence: an admission, by Z, that he shot this kid.

In any event, Z is the aggressor here by way of initiating contact with Martin that he was specifically told not to do by police. Had Z followed the directions he was given, Martin would be alive.

And for the record, getting your ass beat by an unarmed 17yo kid is not in any way, justification for pulling the trigger. Unless you are going to turn it on yourself and pull out of embarrassment. Rolling Eyes

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject:

Am I confused or are you when you say the "police" told him not to pursue? I thought it was a 911 operator...not an authority and def not a cop

And yes getting your ass beat by an unarmed 17yo kid could potentially justify pulling the trigger...I dont know because I wasnt there and do not know the extent of the injuries.

Initiating contact does not = aggression. Where you there? Do you know the facts as well as the local pd?

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jgriffith, that's complete crap and you know it. Typical attorney bs response. Tell that stuff to the dead kid's parents and see if you don't end up with his mom's foot broken off in your ass.

911 operator = authority figure - PERIOD. They are trained to be the first line, to deal with the situation until help can arrive. That is why they specifically told Z not to pursue. They aren't doing it because it feels right, they do it because that is what they are trained to do to prevent escalation of the situation. Tell me they aren't an authority figure... pfft!!!

And getting your ass beat IS NEVER JUSTIFICATION for DEATH. This is DEATH you dumb ass. Not "oh noes I got beat down by an unarmed kid" - DEATH.

Initiating contact, when you are SPECIFICALLY TOLD NOT TO DO IT BY AN AUTHORITY FIGURE IS AGGRESSION. END OF STORY. Thinking it's not is idiotic at best.

If you think it isn't, well you aren't the sharpest tool or have drank way too much of the law school kool aid.

If I'm his parents, I've already filed the wrongful death suit against Z, and the agency that permitted his CHW, and the homeowner's association that "let him" play pretend cop neighborhood watch guy.

PS: the 911 tapes are public. You can hear the 911 operator tell him NOT to do it. LISTEN TO IT AND TELL ME HE ISN'T AN AGGRESSOR.

FWIW: I do not know that Z is a murderer. I do know, for FACT he is a killer. That particular evidence is indisputable.

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject:

You are saying that getting your ass beat cannot result in getting your ass beat TO DEATH OR SERIOUS INJURY?

You have your opinion and I have mine, I dont appreciate the name calling, its completely unnecessary. Try to remember they are just that, opinions, not fact

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jgriffith, it's a little too personal to me. I don't appreciate your ignorance, either. I find that completely unnecessary. Dunno if it's that lawyer kool-aid or what, but it's pretty f*cked up.

I'm done in here. Way too close to home.

Baltfrog · Addict Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Posts: 555 City: Baltimore

What about the young man who was recently shot because the 911 operator told him to return to the scene? At the end of the day people are making way too many assumptions and if someone does start beating you whether they
are armed or not, can justly be shot. Not saying its the best solution or the only solution but it can sometimes be just.

nmballa · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject:

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jgriffith · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject:

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 12, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject:

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Well, Florida is usually pretty liberal about cameras in the courtroom, so we might be watching this case for months and months.

ridininmd · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1231

jason_ssr · Posted: Apr 13, 2012 6:44 am Post subject:

The sad thing is that the only way this doesn't end in riot is if this guy is put away regardless of guilt or law. Like it or not, there will be an unspoken pressure to keep the peace.

patoloco · Posted: Jun 26, 2013 10:45 am Post subject:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/26/will-eyewitnesses-help-george-zimmerman--trial-day-3-prosecutors

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 26, 2013 11:13 am Post subject:

This situation is a fairly convincing argument to not carry a handgun.

No handgun=no death=no trial.

P.S. I am pro 2nd amendment.

jgriffith · Posted: Jun 26, 2013 11:26 am Post subject:

eeven73, I think its more like

No pretending to be a cop = no death = no trial

I carry, but I have not and will not follow and confront suspicious people around my neighborhood.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 26, 2013 11:29 am Post subject:

Its not an indictment on people who carry.

Just saying for me personally, I perceive too much risk in carrying vs. what I perceive as the risk of needing a gun and not having.

TnR6Rida · Posted: Jun 26, 2013 1:30 pm Post subject:

Did any of you watch that last witness. Holy hell Laughing

jason_ssr · Posted: Jun 27, 2013 6:45 am Post subject:

Dragonlady8 · Black Widow Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 9198

Trial is on 7 channels! Evil or Very Mad

Every lounge I walk into it's on. Just another Casey Anthony circus for FL.
So glad I moved out of that county 3yrs ago.

If you didn't chase someone down while carrying a gun, this all wouldn't be happening.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

^better yet, if you weren't such a pu$$ about getting yer a$$ kicked by a kid, maybe you'd have just been a man instead of a little bitch who happened to have a gun.

Or even better yet, how about do what you're supposed to do with neighborhood watch - observe and report - and not play wannabe cop.

Gun laws notwithstanding, Zimmerman is a real piece of s***. His defense basically rests on him screaming like a little bitch for help while getting whooped by a kid. Yo George, give me any and all man cards you possess, they have been REVOKED.

eeven73 · Posted: Jul 13, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject:

Not Guilty.

Chattwake · Posted: Jul 13, 2013 7:23 pm Post subject:

Beat me to it!

TnR6Rida · Posted: Jul 13, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject:

jgriffith · Posted: Jul 14, 2013 4:45 am Post subject:

Pretty obvious result, cops had it right from the beginning, waste of taxpayer money. I hope there are no riots

ridininmd · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1231