Is this just a regular Front flip?

doubleupboarder10 · Outlaw Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 169 City: arizona

I have been watching the front flips on the web and they don't look like this one am i doing it right or am i doing something totally different? The pics are from a video hope you can see it.

amuszyns · Newbie Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 46 City: Phx

that looks like a mexi-roll.

on a hs front flip your board will flip tip over tail and your rotation will be over your right shoulder(clockwise kinda) or a cartwheel to your right.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

Yep. That's a Mexican Backroll or a mexi-roll.

Even though the rotation is much like a frontroll it is really just a variation of a backroll where you duck your head at the top of the wake. There is no such trick as a heelside frontroll.

pet575 · Posted: Apr 10, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:

Where's the last pic? You know, the one where you landed it? Laughing

colefooter · Posted: Apr 10, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject:

doubleupboarder10, yep a mexi roll, this is an example of one:

http://photos.wakeboarder.com/showphoto.php?photo=13554

doubleupboarder10 · Outlaw Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 169 City: arizona

I have the final pic where i land don't worry i would put the video but i don't know how it just gives me a error thing. The difference between the one i do and the one that is on the video above is that the guy is more cartwheeling where as i am more straight over top. But i have never really heard of a mexi-roll.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

doubleupboarder10, yeah, that's pretty much the most mexican looking backroll I've ever seen. The reason it's still called a backroll is that most people start out trying a backroll and then end up ducking their head and going over their toes a bit. When you try them in the future try to lean over the tail of the board and the rotation will be easier.

doubleupboarder10 · Outlaw Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 169 City: arizona

how is it a backroll if i flip forward?

stompin7s · Posted: Apr 10, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject:

cuz its mexican

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

doubleupboarder10, it can't be a true front flip because the board would hit the rope. Therefore there's always an amount of cartwheel rotation. You probably can't see it now but if you do both you will realize how one is just a variation of the other.

And if you're still not satisfied know that wakeboarding trick names don't always make sense either. They were invented at different times by different people. For instance:

hs backroll = cartwheel rotation
hs frontflip = cartwheel rotation
hs frontroll doesn't exist
ts backroll = flip rotation
ts frontroll = flip rotation
ts frontflip doesn't exist

So congrats, you can land a mexi-roll. When you want to lean a backroll to blind it will help you. Try a tantrum next and if your toeside edge is good try a frontroll or a scarecrow. Don't want to be a heelside hero.

LakeIolaLuke · Posted: Apr 11, 2007 8:35 am Post subject:

I think there's such a thing as a ts frontflip....I could be wrong though. I thought old school guys were hittin front flips both directions

brinks · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 566 City: Orlando

There is a TS front flip. You also have the fruitloop= TS frontflip to Backside 180. You don't use the direction your body goes to define the flip vs roll, you use the boards edges and tips. If the board rolls from edge to edge it is a roll: TS backroll, TS frontroll, HS backroll and even the tantrum is in the roll family. If the board flips from nose to tail it is a flip: HS frontflip, TS frontflip

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

doubleupboarder10 · Outlaw Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 169 City: arizona

damn looks like i need to get back out on the lake and learn a real trick.

colefooter · Posted: Apr 11, 2007 11:18 am Post subject:

doubleupboarder10, it's a real trick, just one of many different tricks.

You should try a tantrum, or maybe even a scarecrow or ts frontroll.

OuachitaWaker · Addict Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 577 City: Hot Springs

dont forget about spins! remeber SPIN TO WIN

LakeIolaLuke · Posted: Apr 11, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject:

WEEEE! spin to Win!

I hit my first 5 today!!!! see other thread.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

doubleupboarder10, its your first invert you should be proud. Just because the name isn't as glorious as you hoped doesn't mean much. In fact you can just call it a backroll if you want. Thats what I call mine whether or not its mexi. It is easier to land if you do more of a cartwheel rotation.

Nice LakeIolaLuke. I have to say the time in between when I landed my first 5 to when I landed my second one was waaaay too long. I still don't have it consistent.

LakeIolaLuke · Posted: Apr 11, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject:

Wakebrad, I actully hit two in a row. Very Happy

brinks · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 566 City: Orlando

a HS backroll kinda looks like it goes nose first to tail but it still rolls edge to edge off the wake

inter · Addict Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 539 City: BC

colefooter, the video example is different from the mexi roll doubleupboarder10 does because he lets go of one hand. Is it still the same trick? Confused

doubleupboarder10, your "mexi roll" looks to me like a tantrum but forwards.

doubleupboarder10 · Outlaw Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 169 City: arizona

So then is it a mexi roll or a forward tantrum?

LakeIolaLuke · Posted: Apr 15, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject:

inter, letting go doesn't change the trick. It's still a mexican backroll.

inter · Addict Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 539 City: BC

LakeIolaLuke, thanks.

ch_wakeboard · Newbie Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 2 City: Santiago

dude, it's looks kinda half cab roll, but in a way different :s dunno, can't tell you if that invert has a name xD

ch_wakeboard · Newbie Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 2 City: Santiago

dude, it's looks kinda half cab roll, but in a way different :s dunno, can't tell you if that invert has a name xD

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

For it to be a half-cab roll he would have had to take off switch. And he starts heelside and lands heelside. There is no 180.

Half-cab: A switch 180.

If you don't know what you're talking about defer to people who do Rolling Eyes

OuachitaWaker · Addict Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 577 City: Hot Springs

Wakebrad, lol be nice to newbs Rolling Eyes

and the only "forward tantrum" that i could think of is a toeside backroll

toothpick · Posted: Apr 29, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject:

I thought I'd give some credit here. The reason that style back roll is called Mexican is because Andrea Gayton was the first pro rider to really get seen doing them that way (not sure if she was actually the first rider, kind of irrelevant). She's from Mexico, and since most people did progressive back rolls, the move was named in her sake.

If you're still wondering, the other type, a progressive roll, is where your board goes up behind you, nose-first, and you don't bend at the waist. That one is good for spinning frontside and more technically correct. The Mexican back roll is a good start for spinning backside with your roll. So don't feel bad about doing them Mexican, just work on taking it to the next step, grab it and spin it!

wake_quake · Posted: Apr 30, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

OuachitaWaker, you mean ts frontroll?

OuachitaWaker · Addict Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 577 City: Hot Springs

wake_quake, no i was getting at toeside backroll and tantrums looks similar in flipping styles they are both backflips, only toeside backroll is going forward like a gainer on a diving board.