Ate it on a surface 180

BigMace255 · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 271

I think I figured out my problem, but would appreciate a little help w/ the surface 180.

I tried to take the rope from hip to hip and slide my feet accordingly, but I ate stuff. (Only tried once, then focused on butterslides/edging.) What I THINK I did was just catch a TS edge from not leaning back / away from the boat enough. Any tips?

jmv · Newbie Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 2

Try bending your knees a little like you're sitting down. When you're turning your board lift your toes up a little to prevent you from catching your front edge. Then move the handle from waist to waist. Make sure you start out going 15mph or less; when you're good increase the speed of the boat.

My girlfriend try doing this a year ago, now she can do surface 360!

Good Luck. Smile

Rocket · Outlaw Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 127

BigMace255, what size fins have you got?

If you have 2 inch fins you may find it a lot easier to change them for some .8 inch fins. It will make the board a lot looser on the water, which you amy not like, but it makes surface tricks a stack load easier.

(Sorry if this advice is a bit obvious or basic)

BigMace255 · Soul Rider Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 271

I got whatever the stock fins came on the LF Omega 139 ('06)

I think they're 1.5in fins.

I can't ride again for 2 weeks, so I may see if I can order The Book by then, watch it, and then go ride with some new info!

wakejumper17 · Outlaw Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 234

Bigmace, the first time i tried one of those i got a concussion. i was throwing raleys and grabs and stuff all day and then i thought i should learn that. it didnt work. now i just do ollied ones.

WakeLess · Newbie Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 10

What i did to get the feel for surfaces is when i would get up i wouldn't switch over to riding, i would stay buttersliding just to get the feel for riding in that position. once you get a feel for how far you lean back you'll be able to do them like nothin. Also, don't think about the consequences if you crash. Thinking too much is not good!! NO "WHAT IF'S"!!

Donkey_Wakeboarder17 · Criminal Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 61 City: Okay

I had a lot of problems learning surface 180's, and like WakeLess, said I started staying in the "butterslide" postion when getting up. And the best way I found to do the surface 180's is to, if you are regular footed, hold the handle with just your back (right) hand, then simply lift your toes so that you are on your HS edge and pull the handle to your right hip..... That is what I had to do to learn it.

WakeLess · Newbie Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 10

And always drop your back hand when switching back and forth! That always helps keep the weight on the tail giving you more stability!

idaman · Newbie Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 21 City: cabot

I find it easier if you are trying to learn if you cut real hard to the outside and when there is slack in the rope and you lose som speed simply twist around. Sounds easy but I bit it the first couple of times. It is a lot easier spinning towards the boat than away for me.

icyberbujas · Newbie Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 8 City: eugene

i just tried my first surface 180 last weekend and i almsot had it but i caught the front edge and ate crap. but it was tight cuz i got it a little while later and that was really exciting.WOO HOO!!!!

hco · Posted: Jun 06, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject:

Are you guys just talking about doing a 180 without ollieing? If so, just lean back more than anything, and don't be afraid to shift all your weight. I could be wrong, I have never heard the term surface 180 before.

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

bend the knees and use ur abs to push the board in FRONT of you. tilt it a little to break the fins out and ur there. u can ride perpendicularly to the boat all day long, bro. just spin it a tad and uve got a surface 180.

n00b · Criminal Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 94 City: Dublin, Irl

wakejumper17......I've never met anyone who could hit a raley but not do a surface 180 Shocked

I watch the Book and got my first 180 (looking back starting 180 at 21mph was not such a good idea) but I got so carried away at nailing it first time that I tried a FS Boardslide but I wasn't concentrating and lost all form........Everyone on the boat said it was the nastiest face plant they'd every seen. Embarassed

Big Mace like the guys said bend your knees and lean back putting the board between you and the boat and twist. I might help to try the 180 while swtiching edges, as this creates slack on the rope and blows your fins out.

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

im gonna call bs on the kid who said he could throw raleys and couldnt do a surface 180....

WakeFrog1970 · Outlaw Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 143 City: Richmond

i ride regular, but when i get up goofy i can easily pull uff surface 180s when i get out in the flats. but when i get up regular and try for the 180 i usually end up with the board sliding out in front of me. i've only been ridin a month but i feel like i should be gettin this by now.

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

wtbamoomba, this is online. anyone can be a BA with a keyboard. but a wakeboard is a little tougher. haha just a wee bit. as for the surface 180's, listen to me!!! you dont want to lean back cuz then you will probably yank and pull on the rope, causing you to fall backwards. tilt ur toes UP, and i find it easier to look at the board, and concentrate on keeping ur butterslide going, and when u can hold it for a few secs, then turn it and you have a surface 180. another thing is to slow the boat down to ~12-15mph. this makes more resistence on the board, making it harder to break out (teaching you to do it hard and right) and helps with the faceplants, as they dont hurt nearly as much if any. also, read a few ollie forums and try an ollie 180. in my preference, they're easier and hurt alot less. hope this was helpful. peace.

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

wtbamoomba, this is online. anyone can be a BA with a keyboard. but a wakeboard is a little tougher. haha just a wee bit. as for the surface 180's, listen to me!!! you dont want to lean back cuz then you will probably yank and pull on the rope, causing you to fall backwards. tilt ur toes UP, and i find it easier to look at the board, and concentrate on keeping ur butterslide going, and when u can hold it for a few secs, then turn it and you have a surface 180. another thing is to slow the boat down to ~12-15mph. this makes more resistence on the board, making it harder to break out (teaching you to do it hard and right) and helps with the faceplants, as they dont hurt nearly as much if any. also, read a few ollie forums and try an ollie 180. in my preference, they're easier and hurt alot less. hope this was helpful. peace.

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

seaexplore · Newbie Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 40 City: Valley Springs

(raising hand) I learned TOTALLY by accident- I can do a 180 to get to switch but anytime I try to get back I TOTALLY eat it and usually have to take a break in the boat for a few sets.

burntorange77 · Soul Rider Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 321 City: Kingwood

I was having trouble with all of my surface tricks so I removed the fins from my State and now they're cake. The ride was squirly at first, but I've also improved my edging in the process.

HHI Dave · Posted: Aug 04, 2006 2:31 am Post subject:

Xanadu · Outlaw Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 129 City: Ottawa

I found that going slow at first was good. Like just fast enough that you don't sink. Because you have all the time in the world to do the 180, as long as you're leaning back far enough. I actually started with a butter, and I figured that another 90, and I've got a surface 180.

Good luck.

wakeboardingismypassion · Newbie Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 41

just do it quiklyt and lean back. being on the wake helps as well cause your fins wont catch

Good Luck

Mijfwb · Newbie Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 20 City: Pensacola

I have the same board as you and I took the fins off and it spins like crazy. Take off your fins you will love it. It is a little loose at first but you will get the hang of it quick and when you do jumps it gives you alittle more slip on the landings and allowed me to land more because when I would land the fins would grab and throw me off balance, not anymore. Like I said I was doing surface 360 last weekend when I took off my fins, I never would of even thought of doing them with the fins on. Good luck

Justin 25 · Addict Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 797

wtbamoomba, yeah, same. I'd like to see some proof of that....

wakelover11 · Posted: Sep 10, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

lean back more, try doin it on the lip, keep front edge up, and just shift your weight

Ohioboarder · Addict Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 520 City: Over there

I'm finally getting the hang of them and can flip to switch alomst every time. Getting back is still more sketchy. I found that I had to break the board loose by weighting my front foot more and then I could rotate the board around. You need to keep your but back which will make you "toes up" and keep you from catching your TS edge. Faceplants hurt don't be a face planter...

Dave Twisted Evil

HHI Dave · Posted: Sep 16, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject:

I just re-read this entire thread and saw what I posted back on August 4th. I was just beginning to learn surface 180's.

Here's a short video that we shot this weekend. I think I've got the surface 180 down pretty good. Cool

I'm also getting closer to pulling a blindside surface 180. Almost got it today but caught an edge...HARD. Shocked

Once I can get the BS 180, the 360 will be a piece of cake (I think Mr. Green

)

Now if I can just land that W2W 180! (Its at the very end of the video) Laughing

Hangtime · Outlaw Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 160 City: Concord

jpk · Outlaw Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Posts: 215 City: Redmond

Hangtime · Outlaw Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 160 City: Concord

jpk, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....that faceplant at the end was brutal. I was a little bored after 8 minutes, but I stuck it out -- then WHAM!!!

Lennyp04 · Criminal Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Posts: 82 City: Allentown

This trick was one that i started to do last summer, and i really like it. The trick for me was: slow boat speed, bend your knees, small or no fins, and lean back a little or give the rope a little pull to give yourself some slack so you can get around without doing the dreaded faceplant.

Tryin n Flyin · Newbie Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 15 City: Athens

Guys im workin on my wake 2 wakes and im good on goofy.But when it comes to ridin regular,not so good.i can do the switch but i have problems holdin the board switch,i cant stay left foot forward.any advice to learnin 2 ride regular?

nickl011 · Posted: Apr 19, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject:

big fins make it a pain in the butt to do surface tricks like that, I recomend taking them off.

Tryin n Flyin · Newbie Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 15 City: Athens

I do take off my fins,i can do the tricks,but its hard to keep it there