Watson binding RIPPED in half!!!

nickdakoolkat · Posted: Jun 22, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: Watson binding RIPPED in half!!!

I went to do a backroll today and landed hard with too much weight on my front foot, and this is what happened to my month old LF Watson binding!!! I am taking tem back tomorrow and hopefully trading them in for some zeus'!

elmerfudd · Outlaw Joined: 06 Apr 2006 Posts: 223 City: Ft. Lauderdale

holy crap! that suck major balls. You would think something that cost that much would be durable. I'm starting to doubt LF. I applaund you on the zeus choice. I just order a pair of torq's. I belive CWB is the way to go.

joedirt00 · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 3:03 am Post subject:

I don't think that is all uncommon to rip in that spot, but that is pretty excessive. My buddy ripped 2 sets of 04' Transits, before they got him into an 05' last year. He started to rip the 05' within a few days of riding.

GoWakeboard · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 3:41 am Post subject:

All you need is some duct tape, they will be good as new! Laughing

That sucks mna, good luck on the zeus bindings.

jwat142 · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 1009

Welcome to the liquid force club. This has happened to my Shane's twice, except the base of my binding broke in half too.

BoarderX · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 6:20 am Post subject:

Guess the famous comfort of the LF binding footpads come with some secret trade offs eh

Commodore · Ladies Man Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11636

HOLY MOLY!!!!

Damn man, that's frustrating. You'll love the Zeus', I love mine.

nickdakoolkat · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 8:54 am Post subject:

I knew I couldn't be the only one! Looking at the bindings, they are held together by string and cheap looking glue! I will never buy another pair of LF bindings, even thought they are comfy its no longer worth the headache to me.

BTW: when i landed I heard a ripping noise and I thought I might have tore something in my knee, so i was actually releived to see it was the binding.

jamesriver-rider · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 8:58 am Post subject:

Yea get a size up from what the chart says when you go to buy the zueses, I love mine...

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Wow.

savage3221 · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:

Been ridinf LF for 3 years now, never a single problem with durability and I ride a lot. Maybe I just don't fall as hard as you guys Razz

jpminter · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 11:11 am Post subject:

savage3221, i think the problems have been with this year's LF bindings. a lot of them seem to be breaking. if you're on a 3 year old pair, then you haven't had the chance to experience these problems.

joedirt00 · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 11:13 am Post subject:

savage3221, Your not riding hard enough. Shocked

nickdakoolkat · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

Just took em back today, and they exchanged them for the Zeus straight up. I can't wait to ride my Zeus' tomorow!

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

nickdakoolkat, gotta break em in, just like anything else. Expect the ankle overlay to be tight for a few sessions, although with the 100+ heat expected they may be more pliable from the get go.

jpminter · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject:

Wow, that's good to hear!

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

i go hyperlite bindings. period. I've had many with no problems for many years.

alafiaboarder · Posted: Jun 23, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject:

been there... done that... 3 times, 2 pairs of watsons and my shanes.... i got a pair of transits because its not one of the "pro models" and no problems, and they feel amazing... i think the problem is mainly with this new base plate and lightweight thing they are goin for on watsons and shanes... Just my guess... if the transits rip then... im going to hyperheavy or riggin snowboard boots on these things... Rolling Eyes

just kidding... Cool

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

well then i guess i get the good ones. hmm.. that blows for u guys. jryoung what the hell did i do to you?

Craig-R · Guest

wtbamoomba, yeah i've gone through three pairs of splits too, before i switched to LF bindings

hyyperlitesonofabitch, it's hard to break bindings when all you do is wake jumps Laughing

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

hey craig. I thought it was about time for u to do ur bashing. i have the pics of the 360, tantrum and backroll. but it will be next week before they are loaded onto a computer with the right software on it. they will be emailed to me and then I wil PM you and that SOB wake2face the link. ok?

Craig-R · Guest

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

I meant video. but it will be next week at the soonest. after that, me and family are leaving for alaska for ~3 weeks, so I wont be here to post it on youtube or myspace. will that make you a happy one, kind sir?

Wake2face · Criminal Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 50 City: East Coast

hyperliteSOB

Yeah we have been waiting for over a week now. We will never see any footage of you. Your just hoping that it blows over so people will forget your a faggy poser and listen to your crappy advice. Why did you take your myspace link down?

pilot_ryder · Posted: Jun 28, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject:

every company has flaw boots.
I think people will start to think that liquidforce bindings will not be any good because of the few people who have had faulty ones where there is probably hundreds of thousands of perfectly fine lf bindings out there Confused

Same goes for all the other companys

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

pilot_ryder, ok.

LF has flawed boots because of flawed design for 06. They even boasted about "saving weight" by not having hardware and using a glued & stitched design.

OOPS

Blindside_137 · Posted: Jun 28, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:

well we all learn from experience... for 07, the pro model boots will probably be completely different because of this stuff. Its to bad they didn't catch this kind of problem with them in the testing processes. o well... tiral and error right? Rolling Eyes

B_Fool · Soul Rider Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 373 City: Cen FLA

for 07, the pro model boots will probably be completely different because of this stuff.

Don't think so...

x vegan x · Addict Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Posts: 857 City: Minneapolis

pilot_ryder, exactly. Problems like this get blown way out of proportion on these message boards. I've been doing warranty for a good size shop for nearly a decade and the amount of stuff I have to send back goes down every year. Yes, there are problems from time to time, but generally speaking things get better every year.

The glued and stitched method is pretty strong. I'm not saying they don't need some tweaking, but that doesn't mean gluing and stitching is a bad way to construct bindings. Think about it...that's the same way shoes and snowboard boots are made. How often do you see those blow out?

Chad H · Posted: Jun 28, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject:

x vegan x,
I have seen some shoes, not talking shitty shoes either.. Blow out alot.

x vegan x · Addict Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Posts: 857 City: Minneapolis

Fair enough, but do most shoes blow out? Have you seen enough of them blow out to question the entire method? That's what I was getting at. Yeah, LF has had some problems with Shanes and Watsons this year. That doesn't mean stitching and gluing is a bad way to construct bindings, as some people have implied. It just means they need to tweak the way they are gluing and/or stitching their bindings.

FWIW, I ride Watsons and haven't had any problems.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Shoes and snowboard boots are not a fair comparison. They are not attached to something by virtue of the stitch & glue.

Snowboard boots typically rely on straps, save for some Drake and other step-ins - which have a heavily reinforced sole to prevent this type of problem. Problem is, the Drake and Vans models tend to be heavy due to the added reinforcement.

Shoes are not attached to anything below.

I have blown out shoes just from wear and tear, but in all fairness it took a whole lot of abuse to do so.

Those baseplate snaps are a whole different beast. This has always been my concern about the FAST system. It was only a matter of time before someone documented this type of failure. It seems though, the baseplate failures to be very rare and very hard to do.

By contrast (IMO), the current stitch & glue problem could be replicated in the right circumstances. Enough heat (read: sitting in boardracks in 100+ heat) and pressure and POP goes the weasel. I am sure LF will address this by 08. I think it is going to result in the very thing they were trying to avoid - extra weight.