What makes the wake on an SSV wash opposite from your jump?

gene3x · Addict Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 759 City: Dallas

The wake on my new 24SSV always washes out on the opposite side from which I am jumping so I am landing in white wash. Is there anyway to prevent this?

DRAGON88 · Posted: Oct 26, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:

add weight to the side that it's washing out on untill the wake is even.

gene3x · Addict Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 759 City: Dallas

The wake is perfectly weighted to begin with. When you pull on the tower in any deeper V it seems to wash more on the other side. Washing is significant. The 21V does it worse IMO. Do you have a Supra?

boarditup · Addict Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 731 City: Allendale, MI

The reason is the boat heeling over due to tension on the rope. There is not way to coorect for this reasonably. It is the nature of the V-hull. Flat bottom boats do not heel over as much (X-1, 210, etc.). If you really have a problem with it, you only option is to get a flat bottom boat.

If you want to test this, simply shift weight to one side or the other without the rider and watch the wakes. Put a carpenter's level on the floor and watch the bubble. Then have a rider make some cuts and you will see the pattern.

gene3x · Addict Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 759 City: Dallas

I thought so..... thanks for the reply. Mine just seemed worse than others.

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

I hated that about the Moomba XLV that I rode behind once. I'd never get one for that very reason.

Bambamski · Posted: Oct 27, 2005 6:12 am Post subject:

My X-2 washes out a bit as well which is a flat bottom boat. However my old X-10 never washed out (not flat bottom). I think it has to do more with how steep your wake is to begin with. X-2 wake is steeper than the X-10 so it will wash out quicker. The Supra 24V, does it have a steep wake?

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

Did your x-10 turn like a tank to the left (or maybe it was right)? I drove one once that was a bitch to turn one direction.

NAW · Posted: Oct 27, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:

Depending on the wakeplate setting on the 24, it can be steep.

This is just the nature of ALOT of wakeboard boats. When you run ballast and have a rider pull to one side, of course the other side will be washy. That being said, you may be able to correct by adding more weight to the front of the boat.

Here's a few pictures of some different boats with different weight configurations to consider:

McFly · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 210 City: Edmond

Here is a couple of pics from a sequence shot behind a properly weighted 24. Most every single wakeboard boat will do this.

McFly

Diggs · Addict Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 627 City: Portland

yeah any boat I have ever been behind does that. why would that cause you not to buy a boat? you are just landing there. when you pull out on that side it should clean that side up. if not, your weighting is off...

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

I like landing on a nice clean downslope when I land wake to wake, not on a big pile of mush.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

My wakesetter NEVER does that, if the wake is clean it stays clean no matter how you cut. At least not that we've ever noticed. I wonder if the wedge has anything to do with it?

Bambamski · Posted: Oct 27, 2005 8:35 am Post subject:

NAW · Posted: Oct 27, 2005 8:46 am Post subject:

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

CaM2816 · Soul Rider Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 343 City: Seattle

I have an SSV and I have never had that problem. When my boat isnt weighted properly with people it will washout on one side obviously. Other than that it never washes out on one side when the rider is cutting out or in.

McFly · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 210 City: Edmond

The 22SSV does it as well. The harder you cut, the more wash will appear on the opposite side of the wake. The line tension created by the rider and the height of the tower combined with the hull design causes the boat to be pulled over, thus the wake becomes uneven.

The farther out you start your cut, the more chance you have of getting more wash. If you do a simple wake to wake then there isn't nearly as much wash as there would be if you were cutting in for a raley.

McFly

holdsworth · Posted: Oct 27, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject:

i think it won't do that whenever the driver goes against the rider when the rider pulls. when the rider pulls from the outside, that boat will turn right (left foot forward, HS jump speaking) causing the wash. if the driver turns left more, much like a slalom driver, it won't do that. hopefully that makes sense.

nickdakoolkat · Posted: Oct 27, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject:

I never have that problem in my Moomba XLV.

redhededstepchild · Criminal Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 52 City: Austin

the only time i've seen it in my XLV is with no weight and only 1 or 2 people in the boat. when it's just a rider and a driver we have to fill the lt side sac a little more than the right to offset the drivers weight and smooth out the left side.

glad to see more XLV's out there lately Very Happy

McFly · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 210 City: Edmond

Yes, the XLV does it as well.

The more agressive the rider, the more it will wash. It's not a big deal at all though. The fact is that the wake that the rider hits is clean and hard. That is what you are looking for. If the wake that the rider hits is washed out, then the boat is off balance.

Deep entry boats tend to do it a little worse than smaller direct drive boats because of the deep V into the water. That is why the washing appears a lot more in the 24 SSV, the 23 XLV and the other larger boats on the market.

The simple fact is that any boat will teeter like that. It is simple physics. However, the Wedge on the Malibu does help quite a bit in the stabalization of the boat when a rider really pulls on it.

By no means am I trying to talk smack about anyone's riding, but if you put a beginner beind a boat, and then put an outlaw rider behind the same boat right after, the driver will notice a huge difference in the handling of the boat. The driver will have a tougher time keeping the boat in a straight line and keeping the speed exact with a higher level rider because the higher level rider is much more agressive, thus putting much more strain and tension on the rope and pulling the boat from side to side via the tower.

To balance the boat properly with a rider in tow, just have the rider stand directly behind the boat when the boat is at speed. Once the wakes are perfectly even by shifting people around in the boat, then the rider can be asured that he/she will have a perfect wake each and every time he/she hits it, whether the other side is washed out at the time of impact or not.

Below is a picture of an XLV.

McFly

Nauty · Addict Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 827 City: Lake Dallas

My 22SSV does this as well, as does most any wake boat. I have found the wake to be optimal (for me), with little wash on the opposite side, when I ride with three people total or less with the GG sacs full. With only two riders (one in the boat & one in tow) I fill all sacs full except for the driver's side rear sac. I only fill that one half full. This seems to give me a pretty equal balance and reduces the amount of wash to one side.

When carrying 4 or more peple in the boat the wake becomes a little more finicky. I'm sure there is a magic combination as to which sacs to fill full or half full, etc. when carrying more people. I just haven't played with it much for that situation being that I primarily ride with 3 or less. The more time you spend in your boat with the same size crew the more you will know how to ideally weight your boat.

When I first got my SSV I went balls out everytime and always filled all the sacs totally full thinking this would give me the best wake. Not always true. This summer I had 9 people in my boat and finally realized that the best wake, as far as being clean and having a nice shape, was when I only filled the GG sacs 1/4 to half full. I'm sure there are others who may prefer the GG sacs full with 9 people in the boat, but I think you ride best when you ride the wake you are used to. If that means that you have to empty some ballast to account for extra passengers then that's what you have to do.

LFADAM · Posted: Oct 28, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject:

cameraboy, I have an 05 VLX and it seems to wash a little (not badly) on the cut and when the rider is in the air but by the time they land its pretty much normal again. I think its a good thing because then you never get wash on the side you hit and it gets really hard. Better than wash on both sides like I/Os or Outboards.

wake eater · Soul Rider Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 272 City: knoxville

i agree with what mcfly said, so.... if your boat does NOT do this you should really work on your progressive edging!! Laughing

whirlynuke02 · Criminal Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 96 City: Sherman

put more weight in the front of the boat and it will help the driver stay on track better and it will keep the wake from washing over when your edging. its that simple. i had that problem with my 2000 super air because it has 2 tanks in the back and none in the middle. all it took was a fat sack in the ski locker and the wake is great now. it keeps the rider from pulling the boat back and forth when their edging, which is the reason for wakes washing over when you hit the wake.

gene3x · Addict Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 759 City: Dallas

I hate to even admit this but my 22ft. Four Winns had less wash on the opposite wake than my new 24. Rolling Eyes

whirlynuke02 · Criminal Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 96 City: Sherman

yeah, it mostly doesnt have to do with the boat it has to do with the weight distribution

McFly · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 210 City: Edmond

Unfortunately it has a lot to do with the boat. Every boat has a different hull design, and each hull design requires a different weight set up for a maximum wake.

A lot of boats require some form of the 60% weight in the rear, 40% weight in the front for a killer wake. However, some of the boats are totally opposite.

If the boat has a super deep entry into the water like a lot of the bigger boats do, then this gives the boat more of a chance to act as a teeter totter in the water when a wakeboarder cuts in. Smaller, flatter boats do not get pulled over as easily, thus not causing as much of a wash on the other side.

The large transom on the back of an I/O acts as a stabilizer for hull sway. That is why it doesn't wash nearly as much.

Wake Eater pretty much nailed it. If you are getting quite a bit of wash on the other side of the wake when cutting in (and you are absolutely sure the boat is evenly weighted to begin with), you have achieved a very good progressive edge!

McFly

gene3x · Addict Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 759 City: Dallas

The I am a fat ass with a good edge! Laughing

whirlynuke02 · Criminal Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 96 City: Sherman

McFly, thats sort of what i meant just that it has to do more with how your boat is designed for weight distribution than the exact type of boat. Just came out wrong

silvtongdvl · Outlaw Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 187 City: Crosby,TX

In most cases I have found that adding extra weight to the front helps. It doesn't cure it completely. Moving the hot babes to the front aids in the wake shape and also keeping my eyes forward. Wink

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gene3x · Addict Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 759 City: Dallas

Aren't hot ones hardly any weight at all?

silvtongdvl · Outlaw Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 187 City: Crosby,TX

See how good "alittle" weight distribution works!!!!!!! Thats what we tell them anyway!!!!

A 105lb hottie moves from the sunpad to the bow. Thats a 210lb shift. Move two - well. Thats a small fat sac.

24SSV needs more rear weight - 21V needs more front weight
22SSV likes more rear weight - adding more weight to the front creates a bigger lip on the top of the wake. Also puts the nose very low in front and its easy to take water over the bow if you are not careful.

Washing out - most times is either too much weight in the boat or not enough. And of course - where its placed. If one side keeps washing out - that side needs weight.
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