313 and dup raleys - help

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

so i'm not here to get judged on whether or not i should be trying 313's but i'm seriously considering trying one this week, and if not then when i get my raleys more consistent. what are some things to look out for when doing this trick?

also, anyone have any tips on doing a double up raley-based trick? i want to try a dup batwing or maybe just a dup raley. i've practiced hitting the dup when edging hard, it just gets really rough landing far out in the flats off the dup. do you not need to edge as hard on the dup or do you need to do the same as if youre hitting the wake? and is there anything else to watch out for?

NorthwestRider · Posted: Sep 06, 2005 8:57 am Post subject:

You don't need to edge very hard, as long as you time the D-up you'll be fine. I landed my first OHH on the D-up. If your raleys are solid, it will not be a problem. I would say do some 911s before going for the Indy Glide.

NorthwestRider · Posted: Sep 06, 2005 8:58 am Post subject:

Whoops, your going to try a Batwing, not an Indy Glide. sorry.

K-wood Kid · Posted: Sep 06, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject:

Can you do a krypt?

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

K-wood Kid, yup. ok so i've only rode away from one. but it's importance as a building block for the 313 is not in riding away switch but in the rotation, and i have the rotation down no prob on it. i just havent been riding long enough to spend time on switch riding so i can do consistent krypt's and other HS to fakie tricks.

Blake · Posted: Sep 06, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject:

bhamglassman, Damnit... Learn to ride switch already! Very Happy

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

DAMNIT BLAKE WHY YOU GOTA PUSH ME Laughing

ok im gona take a switch set every day from now on, so long as i can get 2 sets/day in now that school is starting tomorrow.
youre right, i gota draw the line on this switch crap.

Blake · Posted: Sep 06, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject:

bhamglassman, do it because its the right thing to do... I credit all my gains from becoming a good switch rider early on.. 8 years later, I can look back and be glad I did it. You seem to be progressing way faster than I did, so you HAVE to do it soon... However, when I started, the equipment sucked for the most part and ballast wasnt really heard of. I can get higher off a 8 foot cut ts than I could with a full on cut hs. Trust me, even if you did two full days of nothing but switch sets, you would be doing great. Atleast get your switch hs 2 wakers into the flats. This will open up a whole new world for your riding, and you will have a huge advantage at comps in the future if that is where you are trying to go. Do you ride many sliders? You should get on those too if you havent already... Chicks dig guys with stitches yo! Wink

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

Blake, lol, it IS the right thing to do, isnt it... im gona focus on ridin switch like half the time i ride or 1set/day until i can go switch HS into the flats like you said and hopefully switch TS wake to wake also, switch toeside jumps will help those regular to fakie tricks i'm thinkin.
holy stuff now i'm starting to get excited about switch riding, that's a first...
As for sliders, i had a crew of guys at the beginning of the summer that wanted to build a slider. So then this like 12 foot by 3 foot dock floats up to my shore and we decide we're gona build the slider on it. now we have a stuff load of plastic and some wood chillin at the side of my house but we kinda forgot about building it. maybe it's time to rekindle that excitement about sliders and rally the troops to build it. i'm thinkin like a 20 foot rainbow to drop off or maybe just a long flat bar to learn on.
i'm so lazy im thinkin about sheeting it with plywood, then plastic, and floating it with some dock foam and just riding it as a box.... hmmmmmmm...

Blake · Posted: Sep 07, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject:

Depending on how much area your slider takes up, you could build a little ramp on it or a fun box for it... The options are limitless but I say go with the rainbow slider for sure... One long flat pipe gets old... The best thing I can say though, since you are building it on something dock like, is pad it... I have broke aa couple of boards and had I not fell into water, I would have been hurting!

Now go out and rip switch, and get on the slider!

Bowen · Posted: Sep 07, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject:

bhamglassman, Do you have your 360s down? If you do, what about late 360s? The 313 is pretty much a super late 3, and can easily become an off axis 3 if not done right. I know you don't wanna hear it, b/c raleys look so cool and all...but you're gettin' ahead of yourself. Can you do a half cab? HS and TS 180's? How are your other inverts? How is Toeside?

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

Bowen, toeside is as good as heelside for me, only thing im not as good at toeside as heelside is double ups. i have HS and TS 180's on lockdown, i never really fall on them. i do em really really late lots of times cuz i get bored, its fun spinning it right before you hit the water, i can do em with grabs too. sometimes the landings on HS FS 180's are a little sketchy because sometimes im sketch on my switch toeside edge. i've done maybe one w2w half cab but i dont really do any switch riding. im gona ride a ton switch when the knee heals up enough like i said before tho, i just bought a knee brace and it helps a lot. i'm hobbling when i walk tho so might not be able to ride today.
and i have my 360's down really solid. i've done some late 3's off the double up but i never really focus on doing them late...
k time to go gas up the boat before the rest of the crew arrives. hope i can ride.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

i dont think i'm rushing my progression if that's what some of you are thinking. i just don't hesitate to learn new tricks... a lot of things just aren't going to be as solid as i'd like them to be until i've had more seasons riding. if i don't continue to push myself and try to stomp bigger and better tricks then i get bored.

holdsworth · Posted: Sep 11, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject:

i learned riding switch by doing inverts a lot more with doing a 180. landing switch helps a lot, to me, with riding switch because you can keep balanced and controlled.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

i do a lot of landing switch, i land switch almost as much as regular especially on my TS tricks. riding switch gets boring tho. i've been doing some wake to wakes but i havent even been able to ride much because every time i ride i mess up my knee more.... i rode the other day and we had someone chase boat driving from our school so i started hucking stuff when i was in real bad shape and now im in a lot worse shape lol... bleh. i Bubb Rubb up a raley by pulling it down at a 90 lol.... can't believe i did that heh. now i've got a pulled stomach muscle too.

this is kinda off topic but what does it mean to blow out your knee? a lot of people keep asking me if i blew out my knee.

Wake_Turner · Outlaw Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 244 City: kelowna

I'm not judging you skill but...

a. you're hurt
b. falling on raleys
c. not doing consistant krypts

My consensus is that you should not even be thinking about trying a 313 let alone trying one hurt or when your raley arent 110% dialed. Not to burst your bubble but there is a lot more to a 313 than being able to land a 360, do a raley and be able to get the board down switch in a krypt but not land it. When it comes to the 360 part of the trick you have to think about doing it after a raley. so

a. you will be landing in the flats, not wake to wake,
b. there is an incredible amount of line tension

in order to do the 360 after the raley you need to be able to do really big 3's out into the flats. if you can cut as hard as you do on a raley and do a 3 it will help a lot. the added line tension from cutting so hard will show you a whole new world when it comes to passing the handle. you will be humbled pretty quick. And doing big big 3's off the double up is not the same as gettin big air off the wake. The double up allows a large amount of hight with light line tension. so don't think they are the same. A 3 that 10 feet high off a D-up is a lot easier than a 3 that 8 feet high and into the flats. When it comes to the krypt, it is much more valuable to learning a 313 than you are giving it credit. chances are that one reason you are falling on krypts is that ya maybe you arent supoer good at riding switch which definetly makes a difference but more important than that is i bet the 180 on your krypt is super late. to learn a 313 practise going very big on ur raley and have the board back under you and in the 180 position at least 5 feet above the water and then you will be able to prepare for the landing. Get that down. For the 313 you are going to need a lot of height and pull really hard to get your feet under you again, and make sure you pull into your rear hip. the roation and momentum that carries you into the full 360 is entirely dependent on you initial pull into your hip. As i mentioned there is a ton of line tension and if you dont pull in hard enough at the peak of your raley you are not going to get the rotation or the handle pass. You will get pulled off axis and scorp sooo hard.

last peice of advice i would give is COMMIT. dont half ass it

good luck and get your attemps on video for our viewing pleasure

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

Wake_Turner,

Wake_Turner · Outlaw Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 244 City: kelowna

as far an injuries go man, i would suggest just letting i go for a bit. if u keep hurting it u should take er a little more easy. i have been battling knee injuries the last two years and rushing does nothing but slow things down even more, let it heal dude.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

Wake_Turner, ya, i am probably just going to build a slider until my knee heals up some, then maybe i can just ride switch some or wakesurf until it's fully healed.
i definitely shouldnt have been doing scarecrows until my knee heals up fully, i was just anxious to stick the trick that injured me before... a lot of good that got me lol. but ya, i think youre right.