Need a wakeboard boat to pull?????

DBackes05 · Newbie Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 1

Hey people...

I have a question....

But first, here is the dillemma

Just started wakeboarding on my friends Super Air Nautique with tower, and was stoked as to how easy it was getting up.

I bought a CWB Sol, and went out with a friend who has a large Chapparal or RRAP (Redneck All Purpose boat). We hooked up to the standard hitch, and needless to say, I had a very very hard time getting pulled out of the water. The boat would pull my board under water and it would plane out underwater and i would be thrown over the board everytime.

I thought it was the hooking up from the low point that made it difficult, so I went down to Orlando to my buddies who have the Air Nautique and out of curiosity I hooked up on the bottom hitch and had NO problem getting out.

Does the boat make THAT much of a difference? Why am I having a difficult time with these non-wakeboarding specific boats?

If so, what kind of boat do I need to pull me? I cant drive 200 miles every week to Orlando to ride behind a wakeboard boat, when I have several other friends in my town who have regular boats.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

ckligor · Soul Rider Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 454 City: A-town

the only difference on the pull up between the two boats is the hole shot. All wake spsific boats have a way better hole shot. I/O's have an issue getting out of the water. This shouldn't effect you that much it just takes longer. The major trick to the I/O is take your time, don't try to mussle it. You need to let the boat do all the work and don't try to rush standing up.

P.S. Not every one on this board has a wake spsific boat and if you want help in the future it would be best to keep the RRAP (Redneck All Purpose boat) to a min.

Blindside_137 · Posted: Aug 16, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:

chapparal's have some of the nicest i/o wakes i've seen...

atolman · Posted: Aug 16, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:

I love the wake behind my Chaparral Sunesta 210. Some other serious riders say its pretty close to thier wakeboard specific boats. I do find it a little harder to get up when the rope is tied low but like ckliqor says--dont try to muscle it, just let the boat do most of the work.

KAPtiN_InSaNo · Newbie Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 6

hey, i had the same trouble wit my towerless, but twhat worked for me was

when about to mount ur board (in the water) keep ur front leg straight and ur back leg bent this will help point the front of ur board towards the boat

Blake · Posted: Aug 16, 2005 10:27 am Post subject:

If someone told you or anyone the truth, you would be suprised. For 75% of wakeboarders, an i/o with a tower and some fat sacs can be quite effective. I ride a SAN during the day for school, and a Sea Ray on the weekends for personal. If nobody knew the difference, people wouldnt knock I/O's. I believe I can ride pretty close to the same behind both boats.

Smokinheels07 · Posted: Aug 16, 2005 11:24 am Post subject:

personally i think its pretty easy to get up behind an i/o..thats all i get to use..i've never had the chance to get behind a wakeboarding boat..but i'd like to just to see what its like..i have no problem at all gettin up..i come up just as fast as the ppl on my lake w/wakeboarding boats..its just something you have to get used to..and i'm gonna be gettin a tower soon so it'll be even easier..like everyone else said..just don't rush standing up..i do that sometimes and down the board goes...sometimes i just ride crouched down w/the board sideways for a second before i turn it around...thats so fun..lol Rolling Eyes

don't give up on the i/o's and good luck

Blake · Posted: Aug 16, 2005 11:26 am Post subject:

Also make note, a ton has to do with the driver as well... THey have to get on it. If they cruise you for a block at 7 miles per hour, you are going to be dead tired from fighting the pull!

fmf · Criminal Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 62 City: Olympia

I gotta first say props to everyone who didn't bash the non-wakespecific boat.
DBackes05,
Everyone here is right, I own a POS 85 Bayliner with a DIY Pylon and an outboard motor and I am 100% sure we have as much fun wkbrding as anyone. Since this is my first season doing it I will probably aquire boat envy soon, but who knows...I can tell you Blake, is totally correct you are going to have to school the guy/girl thats driving the boat as to what is gonna work or you'll get dragged all around the lake swallowin water the whole time. I'll give my experience teaching people how to drive my POS. Have them engaged the tranny so that its just barely moving the boat. Keep yourself square to the boat. Have them wait for your yell/signal and then have them move the throttle forward deliberetly (sp) should take them a three count to get 3/4 throttle - ps have them back off once your up Wink

Then signal up or down till your happy with the speed. It works with our boat cause evryone was hearing the yell with slack in the line and then just hammrin down on the throttle Shocked

needless to say we all cringe when we are letting someone new drive the boat. you never knew who was gonna fly out of the bindings the farthest. Good Luck- Wakeboarding is great fun

surfersarah · Posted: Aug 23, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject:

im behind a formula and the wake is pretty much non-existant. Is your driver experienced? It took my dad a while to get used to planing the boat and getting the right acceleration to pull me up. It might take a bit of practise but you will get there in the end.

marcuskg · Posted: Aug 23, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject:

wel basically i used to ride behind a jetski, so nearly anything can beat that. it used to pull you forward and not up, now that wake was pretty much non-existant.

Ian_82 · Addict Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 803 City: Longview, WA

tmbrown · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 218 City: East Roseville

fmf - good advise - that's how we do it.

Personally learned behind a sanger w/tower because the guy who owned is was the only one that knew how to pull, and I'm a challenge (250lb)... but once he got me up and I had an idea what to do, he jumped on my 19ft. i/o and we went a few more times - then he taught my g/f how to pull me on my boat. By the end of the day, we'd all learned a lot - them about driving, and me - how to stand up. Over time, it's gotten so much easier too.

That's the only time I've been out with a tower tho - I got out all the time now with our lil i/o and get up just fine - so now we're trying to book a trip on their boat again now that we know more, to see how much of a diff. it really makes. If it's that much, I'll either put a tower on mine next year, or buy a real w/b boat the following year. My g/f is progressing quickly, so we could prob. use the additional air soon.

DunDunDun · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject:

its all in your mind man, just think you can get up, adn you will

phantom268 · Posted: Aug 26, 2005 7:46 am Post subject:

What technique are you using to get up? If you practice good habits you should be able to get up relatively easy behind most any boat. I just went out with some friends behind their fairly low horsepower I/O and was still able to get up ok, just took a little bit longer. The boat would take literally almost 20-30 seconds just to get up to 15+mph. If I just stayed squatted down longer on the board while its sideways in the water, and let the board plane out before standing, I had no trouble. Its mostly the boats acceleration factor. I/O's just aren't made for that low end torque and acceleration, so you have to give the boat time to get you up to speed before standing up on the board, or you'll just push it down into the water. Whereas inboards you'll be up to plane speed and can stand up within usually 2-3 seconds even with a slow throttle. Just be patient and hold your form and let the boat eventually pull you up, you'll get there.

armed and dangerous · Newbie Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 22 City: milwaukee

i have only ridden behind a 17ft fish/ski. and to go out-a-da-wake u go up but when u go in u go maybe just maybe 2inches up...........talk about nnexistant. were going to buy a used boat this winter but guess wat my dad wont even think about buyin a used ski boat for cheap its gotta be a fishin ski.

the little lake i board on always has this beautiful spytopic boat with a tower and four can speakers -------boat envy has started-------
Wink

but yea its in tequhnoc on gettin up with any boat

p.s. my boat has a 50hp on Confused

seadooman89 · Criminal Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 59 City: niagara falls

likuidforce · Newbie Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 27 City: oklahoma city

my buddy has a 01 18 ft mariah diablo and it has a 135hp mercruiser with a HIGH 5 19 pitch with a tower. it drags its a@@ off but the key is to be patient. As far as the wake it is really nice with no weight added. When we add the weight it is really steep. Have rode behind a few diffrent boats, yet to ride behind a wake specific boat. props to everyone on here really kool kats. ride on

tmbrown · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 218 City: East Roseville

wake09 · Criminal Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 71

there kick ass

nan0 · Criminal Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 55 City: San Jose

I ride behind a chaparral IO with no problems. Just got my wife and sis up on a wakeboard this last weekend even. They submarined quite a few times and blamed it on lack of grip strength. Alot of it was keeping the board too perpendicular to the boat and water. They'd plow way too much, stand up, then sink and go over the nose. After a few attempts they both figured if you start to point the board right as the boat starts moving, you lessen the drag and get the board up on plane faster.

I find it unusually hard to describe how i get up (made it tough to try and tell the wife!). I think I point with my front foot and tuck my back foot towards my butt just after the boat begins pulling. This gets the board flatter with the water surface and allows it to plane in a flash.

chanc · Newbie Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 36 City: Cedar City

Pulling people on the low-hook behind our SX230 is actually not bad at all. Had a seasoned rider say the same. The low-hook was clearly an obsticale though.

KristianB · Posted: Sep 02, 2005 4:31 am Post subject:

Wakeboards came before wakeboardspecific boats, which should say something about the necessity of these boats. Rolling Eyes

As everyone here seems to agree you don't NEED a wakespecific bot for wakeboarding. In fact I would think that if you learn it the hard way - I/O low hookl and progress far enough to pull some really nice trics you will have the right technique and if you then wish to progress even further, a wake spacific boat will help you go further, but you'll have the advantage of technique right away.

If you go right to the wakespecific, you can have bad technique and the boat will make up for it. But the bad habits will be hard and necessary to break if you want to progress... Then again, with the right boat and a tough teacher correcting all of your misstakes, you might progress faster than on an I/O.

So with the right technique an I/O will do fine for a long time. Just add ballast and a pole or tower.

/K

Ahman Green · Newbie Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 5

My V8 Elanti I/0 has no problem getting out of the water with a new power prop added on it planes off at 11 mph...really helps when wakeboard...also i am a light guy on a big board so i pop out like nothing anyways THE BOAT MATTERS!!!

joe navy · Criminal Joined: 18 Apr 2005 Posts: 90 City: Camden, N.C.

I ride behind a 19 ft Chris Craft I/O. I started and learned on the low point and then installed the monster tower.. I am 6ft and about 245lbs and I have no trouble at all coming out of the water. Would I love to have a sweet new wakeboat rig?? Yes, but like the majority of us, I don't have the cash flow to support that. I/Os have a few advantages though... Choppy water can be much easier to get through on the I/O and while out drive repair isn't cheap, it is typically a little less than tranny work on an inbd..
I am glad to see a lot of folks are good with the I/O boats. If anyone is in the Elizabeth City area and wants a pull, hit me up!!
Joe

onomado · Newbie Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 45

Since my wife and i are both beginning riders, and we have an I/O ski boat, let me be the first to tell you that the driver's technique is critical!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We fought more times than I care tocount about how each other was pulling the boarder...it sucked, until we finally got the timing down right. You have to be consistent every time, and once you get a good driver, KEEP HIM/HER FOREVER AND EVER!!!

picklesinaspoon · Newbie Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 6 City: roswell

ive never let anyone besides my dad drive when im riding.......it generally takes me about 2-3 seconds to get up, but then again im only 94 lbs so i fly right up

ToddW · Newbie Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 16 City: Hesperia

I have a Yamaha LS2000 jet boat (low tow point only). My wife rolls into the throttle from idle to wide open. I pop right up. I got up the first time I ever tried to wake board using this boat. It does have 270HP but doesn't make much torque. My wake quality leaves something to be desired but it will do for me to learn behind. I've never got a pull from a real wakeboard boat so I can't compare it to much.

3205lpv · Newbie Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 34 City: Kennesaw

I learned behind my old boat which was a 22 foot i/o cuddy cabin really low tow point only five incches off water. If you keep your wieght back and the driver knows what he is doing it is not a problem. my brother and i just bought an 85 supra sunsport no tower but use pole in center of boat. I love the inboard much more power but if all you have is an i/o use that. Any boat is better than know boat

Blake · Posted: Oct 17, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject:

3205lpv, I think you seriously missed the boat on this thread yo.Giving information that has been given already a month later is not the way to start off with your first post.

K-Dub was correct, we dont have the sharpest of tools here.

HO-rider · Outlaw Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 102 City: MeXiCo!!

i think its more comfortable to be behind a wakespecific boat but if u dont then its.. nearly the same.. u can do all things too, just a little little little harder...if u really want to learn u will do it even behind a kayak Laughing

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wakeboarder324 · Criminal Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 City: scottsdale

i ride behind a horizon 170
its not a wakeboarding boat
doesnt even have a tower
im guessing the differemce is that wakeboarding boats have a better wake, and when you compare to a regular I/O boat