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PostPosted: May 24, 2005 8:08 am    Post subject: Ballast Install--Pics Reply with quote

Finished and tested on Sunday. SOOOO much better than dealing with the old school pumps. Pumps are Simers from Farm and Fleet for $55 each. Switches, hoses and attachments were about $130 from Home Depot. Wiring, fuses, and connectors was about $40 from Radio Shack. Just did test runs with the side sacs on Sunday, next time out I'll time to see how long it takes to fill the fat seat and one side sac(which will be in the bow).
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PostPosted: May 24, 2005 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the switches. Two DPDT switches, from Home Depot. The boat is an '89 Tristar 190 open bow.
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PostPosted: May 24, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice setup.

How many gph are those pumps?

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PostPosted: May 24, 2005 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

8gpm I believe.
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PostPosted: May 27, 2005 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are rated at 10 gpm by the manufacturer if you are not pumping vertically. There's a chart here, Mine are the BW85P: http://www.simerpumps.com/pdf/pg_4_2004.pdf
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PostPosted: May 27, 2005 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's 10 gpm if you're pumping water at the same level. Since you're pulling water from below the bottom of the boat and pumping up to the sacs, it's probably significantly lower. Add in the head loss from the hoses and you're probably down to 6 gpm. Would be interesting to hook the end of the hose up to a 5 gallon bucket and put a stopwatch on it...
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PostPosted: May 27, 2005 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pumps are only a few inches above the water line, so it's a matter of how much is lost due to friction and restriction. After the T at the raw water intake, the smallest point of flow in the system is at the pump. The total hose length on the port side is 10 feet. On the starboard side, there is a total of 20 feet, which is 8 to the pump, then two on one side of the T to the fat seat, and 10 on the other side of the T to the front sac. I'm sure there are losses, but I bet they still pump over 6 gpm. That's a good idea mantaray, I may bring a 5 gal bucket on the boat to see what the output is.
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PostPosted: May 31, 2005 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did something similar with our '95 sunsetter, it's a little slower than if I had 3 throw over pumps, but it's worth the extra couple of minutes to not have to deal with the hose moving, the water spraying all over and just the hassle. Flip a switch, you're done.

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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do you drain the sacks?
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Push down on the switch. Laughing That's the beauty of the system, the pumps are reversible. Up on the switch fills, down empties.
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... but are they draining through the bottom of the hull? You're not t'd into the main fresh water supply for the engine, are you?
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PostPosted: Jun 01, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wotan2525 wrote:
Yeah... but are they draining through the bottom of the hull? You're not t'd into the main fresh water supply for the engine, are you?


Yup.

Gave the system its furst full use tonight, worked great. I forgot to clock it, but it filled the fat seat and two side seats pretty dang quick. I estimate it was about 1900 lbs.

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PostPosted: Jun 29, 2005 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sooo much weight. i wish i could figure something like that out in my 01 centurion

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PostPosted: Jun 30, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool im confusiosed but if it works thats the best part
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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2005 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice system, I am looking at pumps for a new system I am installing and was curious about the simer pump you used. Which model was it and is it reversable or did you use 2?
Any info would be great.
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PostPosted: Jul 05, 2005 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pumps are BW85P's. They are the only 12v Simer utility pumps they had at Farm & Fleet, and they came with a water scoop thingy for removing water from floors down to 1/8". They are reversable, and I used two so fill and drain times would be reasonable. Very happy with the system, can't imagine going back to dealing with throwing a pump over the side.
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PostPosted: Jul 05, 2005 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more question, what size hose are you using I.D. preferably.

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PostPosted: Jul 05, 2005 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a nice setup. Cool
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