Definition of "Slob"

[blairpoelman]

I've been one in the past, and depending on how easy it will be to clean up, I sometimes still am. But in regards to wakeboarding, I just don't know what this means. Can somebody explain what makes a trick "slob", or is it an actual move???
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[BR_WB]

A "slob" is a grab. Which is when you use your front hand to grab the board on the toeside edge between your foot and the nose. Like a slob front to fake or a slob 5.

[colefooter]

Taken from www.slobgear.com



There is the slob grab.

[craiger]

For you "core" riders out there, why is slob an acceptable grab but tindy is not. I mean, skateboarders don't have any space between their front foot and the nose of the board, and from what I understand tindy is unacceptable because of that very reason. What up?

[blairpoelman]

It seems like a lame grab, unless it's in a spin or raley.
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[-=LoneStar=-]

Uh-oh! Brace yourselves for another grab legitimacy thread...

[craiger]

I didn't know there was such a thing as a lame grab.

I'm not trying to start something here, just looking for an answer from someone who can explain (because to me, it makes no sense whatsoever).

[blairpoelman]

It makes no sense to me either.

Sorry for the lack of appropriate icons to indicate the sarcasm in my last post
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[-=LoneStar=-]

craiger,

There is not but have you ever heard the saying, "Let sleeping dogs lie?" Please don't mention gloves, shorts over wetsuits, I/O's, jet boats, water skiing, hydrofoiling, tubes, or tow vehicles without at least 500 ft-lbs of torque either.

[blairpoelman]

As the initial poster of this thread, I apologize for this wasting people's time. This post should be ignored, as it has now reached the lameness level of an airchair post.
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[craiger]

Don't ignore the thread!! I'm sorry guys, but I really want to know the answer to this question. I understand all the things about gloves, shorts over wetsuits, I/O's, jet boats, water skiing, hydrofoiling, tubes, or tow vehicles without at least 500 ft-lbs of torque. But this slob grab being legitimate in wakeboarders eyes while tindy is not is a mystery to me.

C'mon you core riders, help me understand so I can sleep well tonight.

[Maestro]

craiger - I don't get it either. It makes no sense to me...

[cwaker4]

i think the tindy is considered unacceptable because its kind of a half ass indy grab, while there is now way to half ass a slob, its just a less difficult grab.

[-=LoneStar=-]

craiger,

Alright, in all seriousness: I *think* the "shame" attributed to a "tindy" grab is only because it is probably the easiest first grab that everyone does. There is a reason for this. You do a heelside air, you only let go with your rear hand (so there's no danger of getting pulled around), and you can just suck your legs up and hang your arm straight down...no tweaking, no particular balance requirements...hell, you could do a "heelside tindy air" accidentally as long as you get half a foot of air.

Of course, I don't give a rat's ass where someone grabs but that's where I *think* the "tindy shame" came from. Now, when people start saying stuff like, "Oh, that huge double up BS 3 is stupid because of the tindy grab," that's where all logic falls apart.

cwaker4,

By your logic, the slob is a half-assed mute.

[craiger]

Lone Star, that makes total sense. Can that be the reason? I'll buy it unless someone comes up with something better.

[colefooter]

I'm pretty sure -=LoneStar=- nailed it.

I personally see a bit of a difference between a slob and a tindy though. Even though I don't really think one is harder than the other. The slob is right by the tail, and tindy is right outside the binding. I personally don't care as long as it's a grab in that direction it looks cool to me, but some people get really picky.

[electricsnow]

actually, a true slob grab is just a mute grab on a frontside air. So like an indy and a frontside grab, mutes and slobs are direction specific (on a skateboard, at least...I believe snowboarding incorporates this stuff too).

So if you're doing your "stuff" right, there's no need to not grab in between your feet (or right against them) unless you're grabbing nose, tail, crail or nuclear. And with that said, there's no reason that a tindy should even exist of you're doing your grabs like this. Does that make sense? And I'm totally serious on that, because I"m not sure if this post was clear or not..it's almost 2 am, give me a freakin' break over here...

[blairpoelman]

A slob is a mute. Why don't people call it a mute? I've been snowboarding for 16 years and still don't understand why the names of tricks change, when the grabs or tricks don't change.

Kind of like a switch FS 180 is really just a 1/2 cab.
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[stompin7s]

i read in an old wbm that its called "slob" because its a half ass mute grab...or i guess a sloppy or slob grab cause ur lazy or whatever...i thnk grabbing slob is more than exceptable on any heelside fs spin. or def slop fronts to fakie are hawt! for true slob fronts to fakie with tons of steeze check out thomas horrells from back in the day

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[Stephan]

This all comes back to Bill McCaffrey saying it's not a legit grab because skaters can't do it ie. there's no way they can grab with their foot in the way. This was in WBM 3-4 years ago. Thanks for that Bill.

Honestly I could give a rats ass what a skateboarder thought of my grab. What about Chad Sharpe's huge HS Tindy glides, are those lame? Or the following, this is Rob Struharik doing a TS Tindy glide. Is this lame because it's a Tindy? I would argue that this Tindy is harder than an Indy in the same situation. The Vandall does huge HS Slob 5's and those are big poked out full of steeze spins lame? Besides isn't a Mute grab front hand between your feet?

[blairpoelman]

slob, tindy, indy, mute, melon - I no longer care about any of these. The only style-tricks I care about now are the Fashion Air and the Crotch Grab.

I stand by my previous post. It was lame to ask this question, as this is going nowhere. Again, I apologize for wasting your time.
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[CRAMM]

This is stupid

[blairpoelman]

I agree.
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[Scott M]

as long as it looks good a grabs a grab

[Wakebrad]

some people define wakeboarding grabs by the rotation of the spin. This is wakeboarder.com's definition. Where as wakeboarding mag has it simply by where you grab the board. I've always used the wakeboarding mag definition.

[pooser]

many tricks get lost in translation because not all wakeboarders surf, skate, and or snowboard. Those that do othere boardsports think that its pretty lame to come up with new names or wrong names for tricks. because of the different equipment used you get trick confusion like crails, nuclears, and seatbelts, frontside grabs and indys, and slob and mute grabs. basically the grabbing between the feet thing is more just style. grabs just outside the binding look lazy. basically the legitimacy of a grab is how sick it looks so if you grab tindy but add a sickass poke then i dont give a crap. its lazy grabs without a poke and without style that are looked down upon(this is why tindy is considered so bad) if you want to be anal about naming tricks correctly go ahead but youre in the wrong sport. you can make sure that you name everything correctly and call "nuclears" crails etc. but dont be an ass and say other people are wrong.

[electricsnow]

HC, I basically agree with your post (though I personally hate tindys, but I won't punch you for doing one). Like you said, I think things are different because of the whole "lost in translation" comment. When you look back at some old snowboarding footie, they have long-ass boards with 12 inch stances, so it's not surprising that they're grabbing all over the place.

Add in the fact that a lot of people probably don't know their roots, and that's where even more misinformation comes into play. Sorry guys, but you can't believe everything you read in wakeboarding magazine. I could show you an issue from 1997 where they had a jibbing instructional and they tried to say that a backside slide was when your back faced the boat. There are also A LOT of grab errors througout the years. It's a nice little magazine to read and the early issues have given me fond memories, but unfortunately, you might have to do your own "research" if you want to know the truth.

And I have no Idea where that whole slob story came from. AGAIN, a slob is just a mute grab on a frontside air. So you grab each trick in the same spot, they're just direction dependant. And you can either grab all stinky right in between your feet, or you can do it tuck-knee style and have the ladies swoon (trust me). See, this is the damage incorrect information does through a ten year (or so, whatever) time span....

Blair, I don't have a definite answer to your question. I can only speculate and say that when all of these grabs weren't a given and there was still a lot of unknown waters in skating, it was probably a big deal to be able to do a trick both ways--frontside and backside. I guess one thing that might bring some perspective to the issue is the pool talk in "dogtown and z-boys" and how they'd talk about their curve of progression. Anyway, I can only assume that's why some grabs have two names, which are based on the direction of travel.

Finally, yes, chad's tindy glides are lame. And I would argue that a tuck-knee indy is more diffcult than a poked out tindy "in that situation."

wakebrad, I love your avatar!!!

[blairpoelman]

I can see how there is confusion on backside / frontside, etc... the variables that define a "backside slide" are significantly different than those that define, say... a backside 180. Isn't a backside slide just a lipslide without the transition?

In reality, I don't think it really matters what something is called. All I know is Pete Rose was a junkie.
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[Stephan]

Well then don't do the grab you think is lame. Like I said I don't care what any snowboarder or skater thinks of my sport. I don't feel that is required to make wakeboarding legitimate. I just don't understand what makes Chad's Tindy glides lame. It's a part of the board so grab it. Especially if it's a tough trick & looks tight. Indys are as easy as anything but they're legit, makes no sense to me. Whattya think of an oriental? You know a hoochie where you grab the TS edge between your boot & the nose? That is the most blaspheming trick there is huh?

[Wakebrad]

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[wakedude83]

Here's my opinion on grab legitimacy: If you are trying to grab in a certain place, it's fine. If you are missing (like grabbing too far toward the nose on a melon grab), then it's not legit. Pretty simple.

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[Liquid*Force*Rider]

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