Tantrum Help!

[jkeubanks]

Alright, I am very inconsistent with my tantrums and need some help!

I feel that my approach is fine but I think my problem comes upon take-off. I usually over-rotate and fall on my arse because I can not stop my rotation. On videos I've seen of myself, you can see my back which is cause on me throwing the trick slightly away from the boat. I just can't figure out how to throw it more square and have more control over my rotation.

I get good height, but I think I need less line tension or something to control the speed of the flip. Any suggestions? On the ones that I do land these days, I land real squated down and I don't know why. I may be staying in the layed out position too long.

Please help me!

[ckligor]

This is a trick that should take no effort at all.. If done correctly the wake will kick your board around. Take a nice smooth progressive edge (you only need enough speed to clear the wake) as you come to the top of the wake your board should be parallel to the wake and all you do is lean back, the wake should do the rest.. Don't hit this trick in a turn (the boat in a turn) or you will over rotate! Get to boat in a nice strait line and make sure the wake looks consistent (no chop) and then head in. When you stand tall lean back

[justincat]

yea try not to edge so fast, think smooth and straight up, your probly just creating to much line tinsion, causing your self to flip away from the boat.

[jkeubanks]

Justincat,

I think you may be right. Here is a pic upon takeoff if it helps at all to show what position I'm leaving in. Help?

[Lifeless44]

Ya for the most pop and as minimal rotation as possible. wait a little longer to trip it. and take the flip mostly up off the top of the wake.

[LFADAM]

to slow down the rotation (for most flips) let the handle out a little, unfortunatley that wouldnt really work for a tantrum, maybe putting it up towards your chin more...? Nvm i cant do one. Just a thought tho.

[graphik]

this is from Shaun Murray's detention DVD...

cut out wide, and take an aggressive edge in and build up lots of speed. At the bottom of the wake you want to flatten out to relieve line tension, ride up the wake, drop your back hand, get parallel to the wake and trip it at the top.

I've tried this several times, and I throw it too early and don't get around. I also have done it by not getting parellel to the wake and it goes off axis.

I got this from WW in their instructional section, hope it helps:
Pre-Requisites: You must be able to do poppy wake jumps. The higher you can do your wake jump, the easier the tantrum will be. Also it is a good idea to become familiar with back flips by using a trampoline.

How To: First, you cut out about 20 feet. You want to cut in somewhat hard, but not so hard that you can't control yourself. Once you are about 3 feet from the bottom of the wake, release your back hand from the handle.

When you get to the bottom of the wake, stop cutting. This does NOT mean cut the other way, to try to stop yourself. All you do is flatten off and let the speed you built up take you up the wake.

Once you are at the very top of the wake, lift off. You want to take this trick up, not out. The trick should feel like you are just jumping straight up and landing in the same spot, but, of course, you won't land in the same spot because the speed and momentum you built up from your cut into the wake will carry you over both wakes.

Hold the rope with one hand (your front hand) throughout the whole flip. Since a tantrum is basically a back flip, you should be able to spot your landing really early. Absorb the landing with your knees.

Pro Tips: The easiest way to learn this trick, in my opinion, is to learn back flips on the trampoline. Once you can do a back flip on the trampoline and you can jump the wake nice and poppy, then you are ready to attempt this trick. The tantrum isn't a really technical trick. Most people can accomplish this trick with poor wakeboarding technique.

I see a lot of people go into this trick stiff legged. They do not spring off the top of the wake. They let the wake just kick them over. That style of tantrum not only looks bad, but will make grabbing it indy almost impossible. Learn to push off the top of the wake. Don't just let the wake take you for a ride.

Once in the air, if you feel you don't have enough rotation, tuck up to flip faster. If you feel you are going to over-rotate, then lay your body out more. Over rotating tantrums usually is a good sign that you are letting the wake kick you over and you are not pushing off the top of the wake with your legs.

To grab indy, you have to do a few things. First, be very comfortable with the indy grab. Just do wake jumps and grab indy. Once you are very comfortable with the location of the grab, you are ready to try indy tantrums. Really make sure you jump straight up, and not out, when you take off for the tantrum. If you jump back you are pulling your upper body (and arms) away from the board, not allowing you to grab it. So jump up and your upper body will not be so far away from your board.

Another reason you jump up is due to the fact that when you get the grab, your knees will be bent, which will make you flip faster. So you don't need to flip that much because the tuck of your body will make you flip more than usual. Also make sure to bend your knees. If you haven't grabbed the board and you are at the halfway point of your trick, then you aren't going to grab it. You have to grab early.

[justincat]

JKeubanks, yea man if thats a pic of you right @ take off, you can tell you've tripped it to soon & theres no spring in your body,Imagine yourself doing a regular wake2wake jump that same edge is needed for the tantrum. At the jump of the wake thats when you let go,backhand spring style & your shoulders are even with the rope, pull in on the way down and balance & you got it. It sounds easy huh? you'll get it man!!

[Lifeless44]

Try to take the flip straight up off the wake. Think...Up....flip...down...land. Dont get too used to letting your legs go out and laying out. This will hinder you later when u wanna add spins and grabs.

[jkeubanks]

Thanks for all the tips.

Yeah, one common problem I definitley have is throwing it too early. I'll come off edge too far before I get to the wake resulting in a low altitude attempt.

Nearly every time I fall, I land on my heelside edge and overrotate onto my back. I think one of the tips graphik had in his post is key...the one about not letting the wake just trip you but push off the top. Problem is that I just can't seem to make myself do that!

Backrolls came much easier for me, and I'm just not sure why this has been such a pain.

By the way, I can do back flips every which way on the tramp, so in some cases, that doesn't really transfer to the water.

[mcmarbles]

I think you need to take the trick straight up and keep the handle in the whole time. It looks like you are throwing it back instead of up, also, if you go straight up first off the pop, you'll rotate slower and be able to pick up the water super early to help with your landings. Good luck!

[Hypedrider7]

A few things I would suggest would be with your body position. You need to be looking at the shoreline you came from. You are throwing your head back to start the flip, this also causes you to look over your back shoulder and making you turn away from the boat. Throwing your head back will always cause the very layout and whipping motion to the tantrum and cause some over rotating.

Try cutting in, when you let off your edge, work on looking out at the water/shoreline you came from and keep your head still. Let the board flatten out alittle and keep your hips and shoulders square to the wake. This is where you let go with the back hand.

Waiting for the pop on this trick is the hard part. You have to be patient. One thing I used when coaching is telling the rider to push off their toes at the top of the wake, keeps you from cutting through the wake. It works for some people.

Let the cut and the pop start the flip/trip and then after you are in air, you can start to look for the water and your head can go back somewhat. Try not to let your head move too much. I have seen some riders learn this by trying to look at their board as they go up the wake.

Hopefully some of this is helpful and taking the trick up and over and not whipping it over. That will slow things down and you can spot your landing and not sketch out.

Jerrod

[jkeubanks]

Jerrod,

Great post man. I will try to take some of these ideas to the water. Unfortunatley I broke my board a couple of weeks ago, but once I get back on the water I will post back here and let you guys know how it's going.

Thanks again everyone!

[Hypedrider7]

Sorry to hear about the board. Hopefully you get a good warrenty depending on the age and brand of board. Or its just time to get an '05 board.

Jerrod

[jkeubanks]

It is a 2001 Premier as pictured in my tantrum pic. It was been an awesome board and nothing out there has given me much reason to change! But I think you may be right!

Hyperlite has it right now, and I'm hoping they will replace it...it's definitley unfixable. Maybe I'll give it to my wife and get myself a 2005 Premier!

[Hypedrider7]

Hopefully they will take care of you. When I was working with the company, they did alot of credits for new boards. They would est. your board to be worth $100, so they would give you $100 credit for a new board from Hyperlite. Hopefully this works out for ya.

Jerrod