W2W 360

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

i need some help with my wake 2 wake 360. everytime i'm under rotating and hittin the water hard face first. i need any tips i can get i ride goofy and i'm jumpin heelside that's my info on it and any help i can get would be greatly appreciated[/quote]

SB_Boarder · Posted: Aug 30, 2004 1:47 pm Post subject:

if you can't do w2w 180's it will be very hard to learn the 3. Make sure you pop, wait to get to the height of your jump, pull the handle to your rear hip, and pass it to the other hand. Just remember...
POP...PULL...PASS

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

i can do the w2w 180 i was doin it before i could land just jump the wake i kept spinning just tryin to jump the wake but now i got it down i can ollie 360 and i thought it would be easy since i could but it's a little different

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

it's also hard with the wake i get because it's an outboard fish and ski boat i have some friends that i woek with that have a tige and i go with them sometimes but they're all goin to college and i'm just gonna be a junior so i'm really stuck with the fish and ski outbard

ben746 · Addict Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 560

Get higher

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

i don't know what to do better though i mean i'm cutting out as far as i can and cuttin in as hard as i can and i'm poppin as much as i can i simply just can't get any higher i just need a way to spin faster

graphik · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 727 City: miller lake

maybe you answered your own question... I don't believe that you have to cut out far and cut in super hard and fast. A nice progressive edge will get you across the wakes with a 10-20 foot cut. The pop is where you generate the height. True, the fishing boat may hinder the height a bit, but you should still have lots of wake for a 360. Stand tall at the wake, wait until the peak of your height, and then pull the handle.

I'm in the same spot you're in. I put my first 3 down this weekend, but dropped the handle. I'm trying the backside spin, but am now thinking that frontside would be an easier handle pas to get me going.

good luck.

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

ok ya jumpin heelside and tryin the fs spin just so i can kinda get a rotation goin before i have to pass the rope behind me

midwest wake · Addict Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 629 City: Middleton

well it sounds like your not pulling with both hands on the handle. when first learning the trick this helps alot. if you can, get on a trampoline and pratice spinning wiht a handle. but don't start untill your on your way down. and to start the rotaton on the trampoline, just pull the handle to your rear hip.

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

ya i tried that this week during spring break and almost landed it. i was wearin a full body wetsuit though cause it's cold so i think i coulda done it better if i didn't have to wear that wetsuit thx..

wakekid29 · Criminal Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 78 City: STL

hey, make sure ur spinning frontside, its a ton easier than backside. also, you dont need a ton of speed or height, the first one i landed, i landed it in the middle of the wake. its a lot harder to try to do these big. also, like they said, pull harder with BOTH hands, and itl spin ya quicker....g'luck

roundbaywakeboard · Posted: Apr 23, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject:

Dont fall.

Beaver · Posted: Apr 27, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject:

roundbaywakeboard, wtf

als132 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 462 City: shoreline

yeah i think your actually spinning backside, the reason being is because when you spin frontside off the wake hs, you dont underrotate and smack your face, you'd underrotate and smack the back of your head, unless your head is on backwards...and lots of peepl get confused about the spinning lingo

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

hey everybody i haven't been riding for a while but this weekend my uncle came down with his malibu and i came really close i landed and rode away but without the handle i just need some help with the handle pass now it seems like everytime i get it into the tip of the fingers of my right hand behind my back of the fs spin and then it just slips right out so some more help and i'll have it in no time

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

I need help on my HS FS 3's too. I get the rotation every time but I can barely ever get the handle pass. I usually approach the wake with a reallly aggressive edge (more air = more time, heh) and pull with my back hand to initiate the rotation... should I be pulling with both hands off the wake or what. Also, when I land I am usually not ready for the landing. A few times my knees have buckled which really sucked... I always get the rotation around but I never land and ride away... thanks for any help

Lastthingusee · Criminal Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 60

Parks Rider, You're not attempting a front side 360 you're attempting a back side 360 because you're passing from your left hand to your right. For most people this is a lot harder rotation. Just remember you don't need a big aggressive cut, just a shorter progressive cut so you get a little more slack in the rope to get the handle pass down. Also, when you pull the rope to your hip make sure you have two hands on the handle, you need to really kick yourself around using both of your hands.

ballywho · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 1725

bhamglassman you don't need a big cut. Read som of the posts above, a good progressive edge will take you just as high.
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ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

numbfoot · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 8:48 am Post subject:

Ctipping · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 8:50 am Post subject:

KABOOM! Ctipping to the rescue!

Heelside frontside 360.

Cut about 15 feet outside the wake. Take a progressive edge in and stand tall at the wake. Wait until you are in the air to start the rotation. Once you have gotten your pop, Pull the handle really hard to your rear hip with both hands. Only let go with your front hand for a split second. Reach around your back for your back hand, not the handle. Doing this makes sure you know where the handle is. Once you can feel the handle in both hands, let go with your back hand and look towards the boat. Cushion the landing with your knees and edge away from the wake.

numbfoot · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 8:53 am Post subject:

ibusthard, whether you're regular or goofy, an under-rotated frontside 3 should put you on your a$$, not your face.... unless your an a$$ face or something. yeah sorry guys that was my stupid joke for the day i'm done. Lastthingusee, if he was passing left to right it would be frontside since he's goofy.

ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

yea, I know about the a$$plants, but he said he's passing left to right, and like you said that would be FS. I was refering to Lastthingusee's comment. I dont think he realized that this guy is goofy.

numbfoot · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 9:03 am Post subject:

ibusthard, ohhh ok. My bad. Well now i am really confused because if he is goofy passing left to right doing faceplants then he is one messed up person. It would make sense if he was passing l to r doing a$$plants tho.

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

my bad about the confusion everybody cause when i first started i didn't know that i was supposed to keep an edge and straightened out right before hitting the wake then i did less spin than a 180 and did the face plant so i hope that clears it up a lil bit and thx for the help too i think i should get it next time i go ridin

numbfoot · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 11:37 am Post subject:

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

ya well i guess i was more focused on trying the jump rather than the spin but anyways that was almost a year ago. do u guys think i should just try landing in the middle of the wake rather than tryin to get all the way across? would that be easier?

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

aww im so close now, just went out today, rode away every time on the landing this time because i waited to initate the rotation til i was in the air. got the handle pass once but lost it on the landing. anyways ill land this this weekend for sure, thanks for the posts

K-wood Kid · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject:

CTipping you are once again wrong. If you only cut 15ft outside th quickness of your cut puts excess tension on the rope making the pass more difficult. If you take a long more mellow approach into the wake your line tension is less therefore making the pass that much easier. http://wakeboarder.com/tricks/heelside360.phtml it says slow progressive cut. Mellow just enough to clear both wakes.

Ctipping · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject:

K-wood Kid, this is the first picture from the instructional link you gave me.

K-wood Kid · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject:

Chris watch higher ed. on hs fs 3's and then come back and tell me I'm wrong. If you listen to what I'm sayign about rope tension you'll understand that a longer more mellow cut is best just like that review says. The picture is wrong the text is correct.

HatzicMotive140 · Soul Rider Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 261 City: abbotsford

i am trying one this weekend and i am trying one at my lesson on wed next week!!

Ctipping · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject:

I own Higher Education and Detention. 15 feet is quite wide. It's not like you need 30 feet to build a mellow edge.

colefooter · Posted: Jun 24, 2005 11:33 am Post subject:

I agree with Ctipping, you DON'T need a huge cut outside to be able to throw the trick well. All you need is just a nice short cut so when you cut in you get a nice pop just enough to clear the wake. The way you get the line tension to go away to make the handle pass easier is by pulling in the handle when you pop off of the wake.

numbfoot · Posted: Jun 24, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject:

word. would you cut out 30 ft. to do a backside 180? that has a handle pass in it too...