WAKE 2 WAKE

mcolclo · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 4

I need help on carving when going wake to wake. I have recently tried cutting as hard as possible out and cutting in almost sideways in relation to the back of the boat. Is this a bad idea...any tips on getting higher?

eliteii92g · Newbie Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 26 City: Knoxville

If you have learned how to hold an aggressive edge, you might be cutting out too far. I've found that when you cut way far out and take a hard edge in, you sometimes don't get much pop. I think this is because by the time you get to the wake you've started to flatten out and slow down because you have to let off of your edge. Try taking a shorter (don't go out as far) but still very hard cut so that you are at the hardest point in your cut as you hit the wake. Don't forget to stiffen your legs as you hit the wake, I think this is the hardest part since you're already cutting and therefore have lots of resistance as it is.

I'm still trying to figure all of this out myself so hopefully someone will correct me or explain it better than I. I notice too that for some reason I get a much better pop going toeside than heelside even though I am much more comfortable with heelside and when I go toeside I am not cutting very hard. I don't get as much distance but I get as much height. I think it has something to do with how I use my knees.. any ideas?

mcolclo · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 4

I understand what your saying about wanting to stay on your edge for less resistance and more speed, however i feel i am getting adequate speed at impact. Though when I think of the reason that pop is possible i see it is because your board has a lot of surface area and slips over the wake instead of through. Think of it like this...next time you see a wave coming your way hold a wakeboard in your hand first try it sideways (edging) and then try it flat (my way). Doesnt it seem like more pop w/ flat board?

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

No, not with line tension factored in.

matt1808 · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 1981

ok when you cut out you don't have to cut out all the way, just about 10-15 ft. When you cut back in start with a slow edge and progressivly cut harder. EDGE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE WAKE. Also at the top of the wake stand tall, but make sure you keep your edge. Just remember that the key to jumping high is line tension and pop, not speed.

eliteii92g · Newbie Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 26 City: Knoxville

When you say stand tall you mean straighten your body, but don't be standing straight up, right? To clarify, you should still be leaning back on the rope tension when you "stand tall" as if you're repelling off a wall or trying to drag a heavy weight backwards. So I guess it is the line tension that allows the wake to rebound (pop) you into the air?

mcolclo, I don't know if we're understanding each other.. I think what I'm trying to say is you want more resistance, not less. When you flatten out, the line tension is less and you are basically just ramping the wake. When you cut through the wake the high line resistance allows the wake to pop you up.

When you are cutting hard through water, there is actually less board area contacting the water than when you are just going straight. You'd think you wanted more surface area but if you think about why there is less board in the water when cutting it makes sense. The water resistance is what holds you up in the first place, and it is also the water resistance and the shape of the wake that pops you up. When you are cutting there is more resistance so your board rides higher and only a little bit of the rail is directly contacting the water. It is as if the water is more solid while cutting...

Hope this makes sense.. If anyone else has a better explanation, please enlighten me. Very Happy

matt1808 · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 1981

eliteii92g, yeah, lean back when you come out of your sitting position. You have to lean back far enough so you don't loose the resistance you built up. I like to straighten out at the last possible minute, so I don't loose any resistance.

Dbpunk31 · Newbie Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 18 City: Melbourne

ok there are tons of topics on pregressive edge and you dont need 7 paragraphs to describe it
go 10-13 feet out side the first wake your going to hit
stop and coast letting the boat pull you back in starting your cut
just lean in bit by bit making you cut harder and harder
the more your edging in to the wake the more the bottom of you board should be facing the boat
your hardest egde is at the bottom of the wake
dont stand up to soon edge through the wake then stand tall when your at the crest of the wake almost in the air
try and keep the rope tight to your body right infron of your hips
keep your head up and spot your landing
same exact thing on toeside

the misconception is speed clears the wake which is wrong. i can clear it cuttin 5 feet out riding 75 so its not speed. the right cut will clear it for your and also will do most of the work on tricks as you prgress. hopes this helps. you should get waketrix too for some visual help

astro209 · Soul Rider Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Posts: 279 City: Nor*Cal

Also, one thing that I just picked up that helped me a lot was pulling the handle to you as you are launching from the wake. This will increase your pop 10 fold and as long as you are leaning back edgeing hard will not affect your balance. I used to have to cut way out to clear the wake, now, I too only have to cut out like 5 feet, and I get way higher.