Boss Towers and Correct Craft???

BIGMAC · Posted: Jan 09, 2004 2:25 pm Post subject: Boss Towers and Correct Craft???

So Wakeside is back to selling Boss tower and I know about the court issue between Boss and CC. So does this mean that their issues are resolved and does anyone have specifics? Just curious.

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

there's alot of rumor going on about what the real deal is with Boss right now. I'd love to tell you that I know for sure, but I have heard so many different versions about it....I have no idea which is true. I do know that they are selling towers, but I don't know if they are making them???

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

I don't think the issue is if they're making towers or not. It's for each tower Boss sells, X amount of dollars must go to CC. And from what I know, Boss refused to pay CC. Please keep in mind, I heard this from a reliable source. What does that mean? It means, it's not a fact, it's what I heard, and that although my source is very reliable, he could still be wrong.

My opinion is that although I love CC's, it's pretty screwed up that they're trying to monopolize the tower industry. Sure, I give them credit for the Flight Control Tower, but, people have made variations and even improvements. If their tower was copied exactly, from weld to bolts, then by all means, take that company to court.

Boss makes some of the best towers around. I'm glad to see them back!

BIGMAC · Posted: Jan 09, 2004 2:58 pm Post subject:

jumalian, I agree.

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

Not really the case Joe. Boss must pay CC for every tower that they make, and sell. If they are not making the tower themselves, then the X amount of $$ does'nt have to be paid. It has to be paid by the persons manufacturing. From what I have been told, there is a separate "company" that is making the towers, and selling them to Boss at a wholesale price which in turn makes Boss a distributor in this case. But like you said, this is what I have been told....not necessarily a fact, just hear-say....

I do agree that it's pretty screwed up that CC is trying to monopolize that part of this industry. Boss makes THE best tower in my opinion. I do respect how the owner(s) of Boss are handling this situation. They are dealing with a very "big fish" in this small pond of an industry. I hope all is going well for those guys.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

K-dub, what you hear is correct. Boss has "outsourced" manufacturing offshore to avoid CC. My reliable source happens to be a business partner of Mr. Boss himself, and Mr. Boss basically told CC to go funk themselves and did it his way.

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

....so, Boss is actually a "tower distributor" now....

$-[]0[][]V[][]0-$ · Criminal Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 99 City: san jose

If C.C. was monopolizing,there would be no more tower companies but them.They have the patent and it was probably applied for at the time that everyone copied their idea.From what i hear, the amount C.C was asking was very reasonable.After all, C.C could put alot of people out of business and be in the right.

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

$-[]0[][]V[][]0-$, the amount of money that CC is recieving from the tower mfg's in turn just drove the wholesale/retail pricing up on thier product. In the end it's the consumer that's getting the shaft from CC. Thier boats are too expensive, and now they are making money by shafting the consumer again....IMO.

logan · Posted: Jan 09, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject:

ok I missed what was going on. Did boss make a front folding tower? Identical to the flight control? Fill me in please.

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

Volcom_wakeboarder, no. But Correct Craft Inc. hold a patent on a "wakeboard specific" tower. All aftermarket tower manufacturers must pay CC a royalty for every tower made and sold. Boss is refusing....

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

K-dub, more or less yes. I am sure he has worked out a very nice kickback arrangement with the manufacturer though Wink

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

chavez-y-chavez, I'm sure he has. The "Boss International" is starting to make perfect sense now.

SuprAir · Outlaw Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 180 City: Columbus

I think it's interesting how people complain about patents. I mean, don't you think that people should be able to protect an original idea and possibly make some profit from it? Maybe even use that extra $$ for research and coming up with other, innovative ideas? OK.. I know you'll argue that CC didn't come up with the tower idea used specifically for watersports, but they obviously were the first ones to patent it. Being able to make a little (or a lot) of money on an idea is a big driving force behind creativity here in America, like it or not.

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Jan 10, 2004 10:38 am Post subject:

K-dub, If you have such a BIG deal with it, dont buy a CC boat, and dont get a tower, or make your own. I dont see why your getting soo worked up...

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

Tyler~Moore, who said I was worked up?

I posted what I did because a question was asked. And to tell you the truth, this issue hits close to home because the owner of Boss is a personal friend of mine, and I have sold his towers for years through my shop. But, by no means am I getting worked up.

And you could'nt pay me to own a Nautique....Malibu all the way! Twisted Evil

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Jan 10, 2004 11:32 am Post subject:

K-dub, You couldnt pay me to own a malibu. Its all personal preference...Just because the owner is a close friend doesnt give you reason to think lower of a company. If you had the patent to something, would you not want to get paid for someone else to use it?

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

Tyler~Moore, I think you are misunderstanding me. Of course I would want to be paid if I had a patent. That's not the point though. Like SuprAir said in his post, it's arguable that CC was the first to come up with the whole watersports specific tower. But the fact is that they do have a patent. Great....they're getting paid. But by who? Sure the tower companies are paying them, shops pay a higher price for the tower, and the consumer (you and I) in turn take it up the butt. Tower pricing has gone up almost 8% since this has happened. Why? Because CC is getting paid twice.
This industry is waaaay to small for companies to be strong arming eachother. All it will do eventually is put people out of business. Then were will we be? I just don't agree with the whole situation is all. I respect Boss Inc. for doing what they are doing. That's my opinion....
By all means, I am not worked up though. Wink

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Jan 10, 2004 11:58 am Post subject:

I understand your not worked up. Thats one of the down sides of the internet. You have to assume how people are feeling, and the way they are saying things.

I have a solution to all of this. Get over it and buy a CC. Great boat great tower... Wink

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

That would land me out of a job, considering I sell Malibu. Laughing

Tyler~Moore · Posted: Jan 10, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject:

You dont have to use the product you sell...I'm sure you sell a brand of boards you dont ride. Well, if you give me a malibu I'm sure I can find a use for it, and maybe even talk up your shop Wink

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

I'll see what i can work out for you.... Laughing

I actually don't like SAN's. I have ridden behind them, and don't really care for the wake. Just an opinion though. They do make beautiful boats, i'll give them that!

Stephan · Guest

How vague is the distinction of a "wakeboarding specific tower"? Why doesn't Boss market it as a hydrofoiling tower, or perhaps a trick ski enhancer. I mean does Correct Craft bust the balls of people making fishing towers? I'm sure you could ride from them. Maybe Boss should look into welding a fishing rod holder on their top bar. Laughing

Maybe Correct Craft should take a patent out on being dick holes. I don't see how one company monopolizing/controlling an industry is going to improve our already small niche market. Don't they realize that their patent is hurting the industry as a whole and therefore indirectly hurting their own operation.

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

Stephan, AMEN!

RUSSIAN · Posted: Jan 11, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject:

but it's the american way Laughing

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

sue everyone till' they have no money left??

Hells yeah! Twisted Evil

RUSSIAN · Posted: Jan 11, 2004 9:46 pm Post subject:

damn straight Wink

K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

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RUSSIAN · Posted: Jan 11, 2004 9:56 pm Post subject:

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K-dub · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 14760

exactly!!! Twisted Evil

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