Posted: Oct 04, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: San Francisco America's Cup 34
Looks like SF's Land Use Committee moved the proposal forward and the full Board of Supervisors will hear this item tomorrow. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.
The bay can be such a great place to sail. Had some great times out there over the past few years while my buddy had his boat (37 Hunter). _________________
Approve it and send Larry and invoice, he'll cut a check for this.
Like most owners of professional sports teams it looks like Larry is trying to get the City to pay for it. I believe the City is unable to match the funds offered by other candidate cities but has offered up several unused piers for free with long terms rights for redevelopment. Kind of a win-win for both parties. Additionally, the City has sought out $270 million in private capital and I believe as of yesterday they have those commitments. With the Cup generating about $1.4 billion this is all good. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.
Passed the SF Board of Supervisors 9-2 but Supervisor Daly's opposition comes with a threat to spoil the development needed with litigation of the CEQA documents. I'm assuming there will be a piece of legislation next year waiving CEQA as the Speaker has promised support. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.
The AC 72's will first race on the 4th of July-1st of September next year in San Francisco for the Louis Vuitton Cup. Winner of that regatta gets to race Oracle-Team USA for the America's Cup September 7th-22nd.
I went to the City in August for the AC45 race. Great venue and with catamarans the boats get really close to shore...
Interesting developments:
Oracle pitchpoles their AC72 on October 17th destroying their wing. It will take several months before they are back on the water.
Team New Zealand was the first to launch and is impressively hydrofoiling their AC72. The balance looks a lot better than that of Oracles boat when foiling.
Artemis broke something load testing and are in repairs. Hopefully they step the wing soon and we can see her on the water.
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I never followed but just recently got in to sailing. But I've dined with Buddy Melges a few time. Old neighbor with my folks. _________________ jt09 wrote:
I used to get all happy when the girlie would make a colonic appointment. That meant she was going to be breaking out the "fine china" soon.
that video is definitely badass. question for you sailing types - i'm used to seeing all the guys on the boat race from one side to the other when they switch directions and hang off the side to keep balance at times. how the heck do you race from one side to the other on that thing? or do you even need to? what about the hanging off the side?
On these boats and other catamarans you move across the trampoline to the other side before, during, or after the tack or gybe. You can see some guys moving around the 0:20 mark on this video:
As for hiking or trapping out to balance the boat, when reaching or sailing upwind, on these boats having 10-11 sailors on the windward side helps and a 14.0 m (45.9 ft) beam also helps. The crews on the AC45s would hike out but these boats are big enough that the crew members are standing in the hull and working pedestals instead of winches. The skipper will also take a higher angle to the wind as the power generated with a wing and sails this big cannot be overcome by crew weight alone. On smaller boats body weight can counterbalance some of these forces and allow the boats more speed. It's a balancing act, literally.
AC 72:
AC 45:
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I'm totally geeking out over these boats. Grew up racing Hobie Cats so this is kind of a time of reckoning for catamaran racers who have always been the black sheep of a very blue blood sport. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.
i would love to have a hobie. our yacht club used to race them back in the 80s, but that died out. now i think there's only one guy on our lake who routinely sails one.
i would love to have a hobie. our yacht club used to race them back in the 80s, but that died out. now i think there's only one guy on our lake who routinely sails one.
There's still a strong fleet in Northern California but nothing like the late '80s when my dad would host regattas with 100+ boats and get major alcohol brands to cover the costs of the races. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.
I just picked up a hobbie cat last year (actually just dug it out of storage). Been ripping around the Milwaukee Harbor. Fregan Awesome. _________________ jt09 wrote:
I used to get all happy when the girlie would make a colonic appointment. That meant she was going to be breaking out the "fine china" soon.
that video is definitely badass. question for you sailing types - i'm used to seeing all the guys on the boat race from one side to the other when they switch directions and hang off the side to keep balance at times. how the heck do you race from one side to the other on that thing? or do you even need to? what about the hanging off the side?
First run out last year in the MKE harbor we were thinking maybe we should get a mast float. Said f' it. Both were riding on pontoon when my weight got too far forward and front caught a wave. Cartwheeled and swung my ass all the way around the mast. No float and turtled. Spent an hour in the water till someone came by and could quickly grab the mast and flip it. Old 70's hobbie so the damn sail got stuck and we could pull it down to try to right it. Was fun though. _________________ jt09 wrote:
I used to get all happy when the girlie would make a colonic appointment. That meant she was going to be breaking out the "fine china" soon.
First run out last year in the MKE harbor we were thinking maybe we should get a mast float. Said f' it. Both were riding on pontoon when my weight got too far forward and front caught a wave. Cartwheeled and swung my ass all the way around the mast. No float and turtled. Spent an hour in the water till someone came by and could quickly grab the mast and flip it. Old 70's hobbie so the damn sail got stuck and we could pull it down to try to right it. Was fun though.
Pitchpoled...
With a little practice you can get a turtled boat righted without much effort. We used to take the boat to the lake after racing in the ocean to "clean the sails." Basically turtle the boat in fresh water to get the salt out.
Basically stand on the aft end of the leeward (wind in your face) hull leaning back with the righting lines. Slowly the boat will pivot and come up. From there right it the rest of the way as normal. Make sure you're the sheets are released so the boat doesn't take off on you. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.
First run out last year in the MKE harbor we were thinking maybe we should get a mast float. Said f' it. Both were riding on pontoon when my weight got too far forward and front caught a wave. Cartwheeled and swung my ass all the way around the mast. No float and turtled. Spent an hour in the water till someone came by and could quickly grab the mast and flip it. Old 70's hobbie so the damn sail got stuck and we could pull it down to try to right it. Was fun though.
Pitchpoled...
With a little practice you can get a turtled boat righted without much effort. We used to take the boat to the lake after racing in the ocean to "clean the sails." Basically turtle the boat in fresh water to get the salt out.
Basically stand on the aft end of the leeward (wind in your face) hull leaning back with the righting lines. Slowly the boat will pivot and come up. From there right it the rest of the way as normal. Make sure you're the sheets are released so the boat doesn't take off on you.
Yeah we didn't have much luck. We just purchased a float for the top. It was also one of the first times we were out in years of neither my buddy or I having sailed. _________________ jt09 wrote:
I used to get all happy when the girlie would make a colonic appointment. That meant she was going to be breaking out the "fine china" soon.
Tragic day for the race... Artemis capsized around 1:15 PST, reports that a crew member was missing and recovered. SFFD confirming that crew member is deceased.
have any of you norcal guys made it over to watch any races? my folks are going to be out for the very beginning of the AC that first weekend in september.
I haven't been out to watch the big boat yet but plan on watching from the water on the 7th or 8th. Be out there on my Dad's Hobie 18. Should be an interesting perspective. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong.
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