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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: Sanctity of Life Sunday |
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A friend posted this on FB today. It definitely speaks for itself, IMO. It is very graphic so consider yourself warned. Personally, I just don't see how anyone can justify abortion.
http://pro-lifetube.com/videos/271/this-is-abortion _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Chad H PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 6449 City: Atlanta
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think abortion is right and should be done. It's for the good of the baby and should be ok until the baby is born. |
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wakechick13 Addict
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 918 City: Lake Lewisville, Texas
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Abortion is wrong and should not be allowed to take place. The fetus that is growing is alive. It has a heartbeat just like you and I do. In Texas it is now a law for the doctor to show the mother the sonogram.
The only exception that I can agree with is that is a women has been raped then that women should not be responsible for carring that baby. But, a women knows the risks of getting pregnat with her actions therefore having no right to kill her baby/fetus. _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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Chad H PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 6449 City: Atlanta
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see an issue with abortion lasting the first 2 years after coming out of the womb. I mean, they're basically not human until age 3. |
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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wakechick13 wrote: | The only exception that I can agree with is that is a women has been raped then that women should not be responsible for carring that baby. |
Why? If we're concerned with the fetus' rights, then why is it relevant how the fetus came to be in the womb? The fetus didn't do any of the raping, why should it pay the price? Should a woman be allowed to murder a child that was a product of rape after giving birth?
If you truly believe that a fetus is a person, then why would it matter when the "murder" is done? _________________ wakeboards
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wakechick13 Addict
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 918 City: Lake Lewisville, Texas
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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What? Thats stupid. This child is a living breathing human. Its morally wrong to kill a human. _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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wakechick13 Addict
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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DRAGON88, Thats true. I havent thought of it that way. _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber.
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Chad H PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 6449 City: Atlanta
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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wakechick13,
So it was morally wrong for Osama to be killed? |
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wakechick13 Addict
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 918 City: Lake Lewisville, Texas
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thats only comparassion? Really? A small child and Osama are two extremely different people. He is an adult and is old enough to understand and comprehend the actions that he is doing. A small child is not old enough to know the difference between anything. They are young, unintellegent, and need to be taught. _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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Chad H PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 6449 City: Atlanta
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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wakechick13 Addict
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 918 City: Lake Lewisville, Texas
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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What? _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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DRAGON88 wrote: | wakechick13 wrote: | The only exception that I can agree with is that is a women has been raped then that women should not be responsible for carring that baby. |
Why? If we're concerned with the fetus' rights, then why is it relevant how the fetus came to be in the womb? The fetus didn't do any of the raping, why should it pay the price? Should a woman be allowed to murder a child that was a product of rape after giving birth?
If you truly believe that a fetus is a person, then why would it matter when the "murder" is done? |
Yup. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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The mistake of engaging hyperbole to make a point. Yay for rape! God's plan!!!! _________________ wakeboards
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Why do you consider what you said to be hyperbole and not a valid and realistic argument?
The whole idea that an unborn child should have the chance to continue its life is one of the reasons I don't think abortion is justified even in a rape situation. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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wakechick13 Addict
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 918 City: Lake Lewisville, Texas
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Abortion is not justified period. _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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goofyboy Wakeboarder.com Freak
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 4463 City: Houston
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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That's, like your opinion, man. _________________ Work SUX! |
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Chad H PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 6449 City: Atlanta
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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How did I know my first comment would begin the argument. I pray ( ) for the day Okie makes a normal thread that's not so controversial. Perhaps a hot chick thread, or a check out my new grocery getter thread. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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What fun would that be Chad? _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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wakechick13 Addict
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 918 City: Lake Lewisville, Texas
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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A good argument dont hurt anyone. _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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There is a difference between a 5 week old embryo and a child living out side the womb, and you all know it. Even you, Okie, and Wakechick.
If there was a building in your city where they were taking 2 year old children, or even 1 month old infants, and killing 3 or 4 every day, I don't think the only course of action you would take would be praying, picketing, posting on wakeboarding forums, and working to stop it politically.
But you KNOW there is a difference. Which is why, because you feel it is wrong, you do the above mentioned things, but you don't storm the offices of every abortion provider in your city with the guns I suspect you might own, or at least have easy access to. which is most likely what we ALL would do if they were killing two year olds.
I think it is wrong as well, but I recognize that it is not the same.
Instead of laws, I would prefer that we ended abortion in our society through education, wide availability of birth control, ending the stigma of teen and unwed pregnancy, adequate social programs to assist low income families with children, and the promotion of adoption as a positive thing.
The thing is, of the five things I listed above, the same group that is so vehemently anti-abortion, also seems to only endorse 1 of those 5 parts of the solution. And we already know that when it comes to things people really want to do.... laws don't stop people, only the CULTURE changes people's desires to do things. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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wakechick13 Addict
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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cameraboy, Wow. Well stated. Very well stated. _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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goofyboy Wakeboarder.com Freak
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 4463 City: Houston
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hell has frozen over... I agree with Camera for once. It burns my ass that the Republicans are so anti abortion and anti birth control / sex education, ani social programs for poor people (young, single unwed mothers are usually also poor if they have no help from home), and want little to no support for the foster system.
It's time to wake up and realize we are not puritans and teen sex happens and happens often. It's time to be more open and talk abut it. It's good that schools teach it. There should be an opt out for the parents that are scared of their kids learning about sex. _________________ Work SUX! |
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wakechick13 Addict
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 918 City: Lake Lewisville, Texas
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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goofyboy, Well I know in Texas it is mandatory to be able to graduate high school, you must take a health class...I took this and it does spend a long majority of time talking about teen sex and teen parents. But, if im not mistaken there is a unit that if your parents dont approve of you listening to it you will be given something else to do... _________________ A little part of me dies inside every time I see an $80,000 Malibu Wakesetter pulling a tuber. |
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goofyboy Wakeboarder.com Freak
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 4463 City: Houston
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Problem is that they only teach abstinence only sex Ed. Or at least they did for a while in our sometimes ignorant state. _________________ Work SUX! |
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nmballa Wakeboarder.com Freak
Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 3906 City: Milwaukee
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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cameraboy wrote: | There is a difference between a 5 week old embryo and a child living out side the womb, and you all know it. Even you, Okie, and Wakechick.
If there was a building in your city where they were taking 2 year old children, or even 1 month old infants, and killing 3 or 4 every day, I don't think the only course of action you would take would be praying, picketing, posting on wakeboarding forums, and working to stop it politically.
But you KNOW there is a difference. Which is why, because you feel it is wrong, you do the above mentioned things, but you don't storm the offices of every abortion provider in your city with the guns I suspect you might own, or at least have easy access to. which is most likely what we ALL would do if they were killing two year olds.
I think it is wrong as well, but I recognize that it is not the same.
Instead of laws, I would prefer that we ended abortion in our society through education, wide availability of birth control, ending the stigma of teen and unwed pregnancy, adequate social programs to assist low income families with children, and the promotion of adoption as a positive thing.
The thing is, of the five things I listed above, the same group that is so vehemently anti-abortion, also seems to only endorse 1 of those 5 parts of the solution. And we already know that when it comes to things people really want to do.... laws don't stop people, only the CULTURE changes people's desires to do things. |
Well said CB. I always find it amusing that the prolifers tend to be prowar and for expansion of military. As well as endorsing capital punishment and anti social benefits. To me it just sounds like they are really confused about their priorities. _________________ jt09 wrote:
I used to get all happy when the girlie would make a colonic appointment. That meant she was going to be breaking out the "fine china" soon.
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Chad H PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 6449 City: Atlanta
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Lower the price of plan b. That should be step number 1 |
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goofyboy Wakeboarder.com Freak
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Chad H wrote: | Lower the price of plan b. That should be step number 1 |
And accesability _________________ Work SUX! |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jan 22, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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cameraboy, I agree with enough of what you are saying to not nitpick the things I don't. I especially agree and support more emphasis on adoption. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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ohsix PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 6837
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Chad H wrote: | wakechick13,
So it was morally wrong for Osama to be killed? |
According to my understanding of Christianity, yes. Capital punishment is also wrong. |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 7:18 am Post subject: |
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DRAGON88 wrote: |
The mistake of engaging hyperbole to make a point. Yay for rape! God's plan!!!! |
On a more serious note, do you think abortion is justified in a rape case? If so, why? _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Are you asking in general, or just asking Dragon88? _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:38 am Post subject: |
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I was asking D88, but no reason why you couldn't comment. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Neognosis Ladies Man
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:45 am Post subject: |
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I've never been pregnant as a result of a rape, so I don't think I can really understand what that is like, or pass judgement on the possibility of aborting a fetus resulting from such an experience.
I wouldn't judge someone who did have an abortion as the result of a rape. And I'm not sure what I think about it on an intellectual level. I don't think there should be a law against it within a certain time frame. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: |
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The question isn't so much about judging or creating a law as it is about justifying.
I'm curious to see an explanation to justify having the abortion in the case of rape. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? |
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Okie Boarder wrote: | I'm curious to see an explanation to justify having the abortion in the case of rape. |
same as any other case. it's the woman's body let her decide. if you don't like abortions, don't have one.
just saw this on fb: "keep your rosaries off my ovaries." |
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