Pac-16?

Zach M · Posted: Jun 03, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: Pac-16?

Anybody think this will actually happen? It could sure make things interesting. The tv payout would be great for the schools, but I also really like the Pac-10 and how everyone plays everyone.

http://bit.ly/97GnyD

Here's a preview...

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

Yeah, heard this. I'm not a fan. This would be my least preferred result of all this conference re-alignment talk.

In order I'd prefer
A&M and texas to Big 10
Intact Big XII
A&M to SEC (not sure with who)
Any kind of a Pac 10 move

Apparently this offer is legit, which surprises me because the Pac 10 had always snubbed their nose at academics, and tech and Ok State are about as low as they come, from major conferences. OU's not much better either.

If MU and NU leave this may be viable.

eeven73 · Posted: Jun 03, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject:

That would be a tough league! Shocked

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

i hate all this shlt. Evil or Very Mad

if they want the tv money, the simplest, and smartest, way to make that happen is for the p10 and b12 to do a joint tv deal and enter a deal to play each other more in all sports.

all this complete realignment crap is f*ing stupid. i realize that many people think the idea of a student athlete is a joke, but it really isn't. w/ the top players in football and hoops maybe, but the vast majority of student athletes are just that. you do this and it will be a total farce. you really want texas to play a tuesday night volleyball game in seattle? you want oregon state to play hoops in stillwater on a weds? wtf?

a&m & texas to the b10 is just as idiotic, for the same reasons. keep the geographical alignments the way they are and quit crying about $$$. the sec and b10 have those contracts because that's where everyone lives. how the hell is the b12 supposed to have some great tv contract with the markets in those states? wtf do iowa and nebraska bring to the table financially? absolutely zero. cu sucks ass and kills the denver market. ou doesn't even have a market worth a damn.

Evil or Very Mad

Zach M · Posted: Jun 03, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject:

jt09, I was trying to figure out what these two 8-team divisions would entail? Would you have the core 8 teams that you play more often, and the others would have pre-season and championship games together? This would help avoid the travel problems you talked about.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

jt09, I hear you with the geographics. Would be pretty tough for non-money sports. The problem is MU and CU are a lot closer geographically and the Big XII is in trouble without them.

Although for me the Big 10 trumps it. Academics and money are so much better. Plus I would love to leave ttu, bu, osu, and isu to fend for themselves.

finkle · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 4067

Wakebrad, you also leave KU and KSU out in the cold.

I think they should stay where they are at but it would be neat to play new schools.

churchy · Posted: Jun 04, 2010 6:42 am Post subject:

I wish BSU had more to offer than football. I would love to see them go to the Pac-10. (note: they are already in the Pac-10 in wrestling).

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

From Chip Brown. This guy is getting stuff fed to him.

"If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports."

What a bunch of whiners. Don't do what we want and we're taking our ball and going home. I think the legislature would allow us to go our separate ways if we were both in good positions, but I doubt they'd let us never play sports again. That would be bad for the entire state.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

jt09, also, the only recourse the legislature has is a withdrawal of state funding for A&M and texas. That would have to be signed by Perry. You really think he would do that? The guy was a yell leader at A&M and panders to texas regularly. I doubt the legislature has that much influence.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

Wakebrad, there's so much to this stuff politically, that i don't think anything happens. also, chip brown is wrong about 95% of the time. he's gone straight downhill since leaving the dmn and going to orangebloods.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

We keep hearing about state politics because it was such a big deal when the Big XII formed. But there are different people in power now. I don't think state politics has that much to do with it. Each school is just looking out for their own, as they should. And that makes a single sweeping move difficult.

I hope the Big XII stays intact and can get a bump in TV revenue. This is all the fault of the contract negotiations by the Big XII the last time around. They might have killed the conference with that blunder.

As a sports fan your team is in a great position to win the championship. Good enough where an undefeated season will get you in the title game, but not the gauntlet that the SEC is.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

i don't mean state politics like the governor making sure baylor got in over smu and uh. i mean between the power brokers that run the state and the schools financially.

just watched espn for the last hour or so. my take: if mizzou doesn't jump to the b10, the b12 stays together. if they do, the pac16 could very well happen, because theres no one to replace mizzou.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

and here those politics are again....

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

Not sure if this has been mentioned in any of the articles (I haven't had time to read all of them), but it's worth noting:

This was posted on Feb 8, 2010

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

Anyone know if the Neb, Missou ultimatum by Friday is for real? Is this really the lead domino?

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

jryoung, osbourne said he had no idea of any ultimatum and i think the ksu ad thinly denied it as well. neither came out and said "no, there has been no ultimatum."

if neb or mizzou jump, then i believe it is. dodds has already stated that texas will take care of texas, and that's going to mean the p10. the p10 invite for texas includes 5 others as well, so the b12 could be dead quick fast in a hurry.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I think texas wants to stay in the Big XII and start their own network. Pac 16 is second choice. A lot of press that's coming out is probably them using their PR machine (BOMC) to further that agenda. texas is trying to sour the Pac 16 by reporting that Baylor would need to replace Colorado.

churchy · Posted: Jun 07, 2010 11:21 am Post subject:

MWC announced that they are not inviting BSU at this time. It was supposed to happen today. Sounds like they are waiting to see how all of this shakes out first. However, if they want BSU's numbers to count towards their BCS auto bid acceptance, then they need to be invited by 7/1.... so, things could change in a hurry.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

ORIGINryder · Posted: Jun 07, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject:

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

ORIGINryder, sorry man, the truth hurts. Although tech is making a push to become tier 1. Sounds like they may make it. It would do them a lot of favors in this realignment talk. OSU and OU are lower academic schools and don't seem to be even trying.

Anyone else think LSN (Longhorn Sports Network) is going to be a giant flop? I don't see how they can sustain a station. The conference affiliation isn't going to give them games unless they're the worst match-ups possible. texas fans admittedly only care about football and are pretty fickle if they're not in the running for the championship.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

JV · Posted: Jun 08, 2010 9:40 am Post subject:

It'd be cool to see A&M, Texas, and OU play out here every couple years (especially against USC) and attract some Cali recruits, but at some point the geography has to matter. Pullman, Washington is a LONG way from College Station if you're flying commercially, and sending women's soccer on charter flights doesn't sound like something school officials would do.

Academically, Stanford will happily look the other way for Tech, OSU, OU, Texas State, Trinity Community College, etc., etc. with the revenues being discussed. Haven't they already given the P10 commissioner full power to bring in whoever he wants?

But yeah, pretty much wherever Texas goes, half the B12 follows. The B12 couldn't survive without the Austin/DFW market that UT has a strangehold over. With UT, the B12 is left with:

Norman
College Station (moderate Houston audience)
Wacko
Lubbock
Manhattan
Stillwater
Lawrence
Ames

Basically a bunch of small towns no one particularly wants to visit and schools where 90% of the fans have some direct connection to the university. So basically the t-shirt tu fans control the conference Laughing

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

JV · Posted: Jun 08, 2010 10:27 am Post subject:

That doesn't make sense to me. Stanford (private), Cal, UCLA, USC (private), AND Washington all rank higher than Texas. Only two Big12 schools (UT and A&M) are even in the conversation for academic ratings, but it's really not that close compared to Stanford, Cal, and UCLA. I got into A&M and Texas (and their respective engineering programs) pretty much the instant they got my applications; Stanford and UCLA took their sweet time and did a couple follow-ups first and didn't admit me into engineering until weeks after I was in, for whatever that's worth (not much). From a pure academic standpoint, I don't see the competition regardless of the B12 school(s) they let in. Maybe they thought Austin would be a big enough draw to lure smart Cali kids out of the state? Austin's great and all, but the UCLA and Stanford campuses are unrivaled.

Regardless, didn't giving the Pac10 commissioner full power pretty much cement that the conference is willing to overlook academic concerns on both sides of the spectrum in favor of $$$

PKwakeboard · Outlaw Joined: 20 Mar 2009 Posts: 167 City: Dallas

To say that the Big 12 would lose DFW because Texas leave is crazy. There are very large A&M, Tech and OU fan bases here. There are also quite a few Baylor and OSU fans.

JV · Posted: Jun 08, 2010 10:33 am Post subject:

PKwakeboard, enough to carry a relevant BCS conference and demand HUGE TV contracts? I doubt it. Most of the fans you mentioned either went to the school and/or have/had family alumni.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

JV · Posted: Jun 08, 2010 11:15 am Post subject:

Wakebrad, are there really that many non-affiliated A&M fans? It's probably because we haven't been good enough lately to start up the bandwagon, but it seems most Aggie fans have some affiliation with the university. I've never been in the state for a great A&M year, so I honestly don't know how wide our fan base could expand if we had Texas's Win-Loss record.

Also, how does the 2-hour time difference factor in, if at all? Do they play ALL the games on the left coast an hour or two earlier, or just the ones involving central schools?

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

not so. as the swc was on it's death bed, texas was looking for a new home:

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

JV, non-affiliated fans, you mean "t-shirt" fans? There were a lot back in the 90s. Not as much now.

jt09, from Chip Brown "If A&M opted to head to the SEC and Texas opted to go elsewhere, there is a very good chance Texas would no longer play the Aggies in any sports."

That's a threat right there. And don't tell me half this crap doesn't come from Dodds himself. Chip Brown isn't that great of an investigator. He's a mouthpiece.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

JV, y'all had PLENTY of t-shirt fans back in the late 80s-early 90s. all winning teams have them.

Wakebrad, i'll agree that chip isn't a great investigator, but he sure as hell isn't a mouthpiece. bellmont DESPISES orangebloods, and while chip may be held in higher regard than ketch, let's not pretend that chip is dodds' sock puppet. if you think for a second that dodds, or byrne, or anyone for that matter, could keep those two schools from playing every sport, every year, you are crazy. the fans simply wouldn't stand for it.

again, this is a moot point, because either the b12 is going to stay together (my bet), or both schools are going to the p10/16.

on to someone we can both laugh at - did you see the baylor regent emails the last 2 days? holy hell! they are EXTREMELY butthurt about getting left out in the cold.

JV · Posted: Jun 08, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject:

The mere suggestion of Stanford fearing academic competition from a Texas school amuses me, especially 20 years ago. Stanford voted against Texas because they didn't want to become also-rans in the Pac-10, simple as that.

Wakebrad, yeah, pretty much. Fans with no alumni within their immediate family. If Texas left the B12 for the Pac or Big 10 and everyone else stayed (which is pointless even arguing because, even if A&M didn't panic and bail, everyone else would), the conference would quickly become about as relevant as the Big East. I just don't see how we'd appeal to television tv networks if the best national game the conference could provide would be OU vs. Texas A&M...not even a natural rivalry and certainly no guarantee both teams will be in the top 10.

Jt, that's what I figured...just wasn't sure since we lack the sex appeal of Austin and perennial first round skill position players that would appeal to any non-affiliated football fan.