New Boat 2

[Suprahunter]

My serch for a new boat continues, so far I have looked at Tige,Supra
and MC, yesterday we went to a Nautique dealer, BSbell is right in ranking
Nautique number one. The qualty of materials and the overall design and
interior layout was so well thought out we were very impressed. Every
part of the boat showed craftmenship and attention to detail. If I can
swing the added price I may have found my boat. Crossover 236.

[BSBell]

Glad to see you are wanting a Nautique, they truely are the best ski/wakeboard boats on the water.

[pooser]

I'd look at malibu too before you settle on the nautique.

[Riddick]

Mastercraft, nautique, and malibu are in my mind the top 3. Having owned 2 of the 3, id say mastercraft is #1 then nautique then malibu. Having owned a malibu for 3 years and seeing the price difference in the mastercraft and malibu made my parents and i love the malibus, but after visiting both malibu and MC factorys we saw how much more we like the mastercraft.

[jonyb]

With the Supra you can get a lot more features for a lot less money......

[BSBell]

[Commodore]

BSBell, Please name me some..........

[BrentC5Z]

You know like:
The decals don't say nautique
The logo on the steering wheel is different
The invoice is not as impressive to the girls

[Commodore]

Brent87LT1,

[DRAGON88]

haugy, have you been in a new CC? It's pretty much the greatest transformer I've ever seen.

I'm not sure if boats should be transformers, but CC apparently knows better.

CC and Supra are both top notch in my opinion, I've crawled around both of them and I think if it were my money I'd have a 21SSV or 22SSV. With the stock GG package both of those boats throw awesome wakes. CC's ballast leaves a lot to be desired, and to get a really good wake you really have to load that boat down.

Both are great boats, but I don't honestly believe for a second that the CC is a $20k better boat.

Just my opinion as a former CC diehard/fanboy and a current Malibu rider.

[Commodore]

DRAGON88, yep, been in 4 this year. Just wanted to know from an "expert".

Considering I've been in the CC 210, 220, 226, and 230 this year.
And then I've been playing in a 22SSV, 24SSV, and 24SSV Worlds Edition.


Even MC has had me this year, I'm just a boat whore.

[jonyb]

[Suprahunter]

As you can tell by my name I was Supra when Supra wasn't cool. I have
been looking at all makes in my area to see which will be best for my needs. A lot has changed since I purched my Supra. All makes have some things I like and don't like . I enjoy this forum and I appreaciate your opinions and views. But I would ask if you feel one make is better than another then tell me why. IMO Supras interior layout cramps the interior even on the 24'. Tige has a cheap interior. The MC salesmen think theirs is best and they don't have to show why, my wife noticed they don't even put pipeing on the seats. This is probably the last wake boat I will buy I want it to be the best I can find I am willing to pay what it cost to do it right within reason.

[jt09]

you say supra's interior is more cramped than a nautique?


mc, nautique, bu = best
supra = best bang for your buck, and only a hair below the top 3 in quality

if i'm buying w/ my hard earned $$$, i'm buying supra.

[BSBell]

[Suprahunter]

To reply to jt09 in the Supra 24' they install the 2 batterys under the passenger side seat under the windsheld taking up a lot of space. The ballast when filled takes up storage space. The way they put the seating for the bow interfears with the drivers seat[too close] The engine compartment is very tight even with the side
panels out you would have to be a contortionist to service. Compaired to Nautique 236 the whole rear of the boat opens. Batterys or mounted in front of the engine out of the way of storage. Ballast under floor. modular seating . More open bow seating arrangment. Everthing on the Nautique tooks planed out before it is built.
Other brands seem to end up with space and serviceability issues after the build
the boat.

[Riddick]

Suprahunter, you would also have to add some fat sacs in the 236 to match the Supra 24 SSV's 2000 lbs of factory ballast. That would take up the storage in the nautique.

[BSBell]

[Commodore]

BSBell, your intellect is mind blowing. How do you do it?

Each of your reasons are opinion.
Awards from JDPower? Wow, that's your source?
And been making boats since 1940? What has that got to do with current wakeboarding boat features? They've been in the wakeboarding market as long as the rest.

The reality which you can't seem to grasp is it's YOUR OPINION that Nautiques are vastly superior to all. But it's close minded fools like yourself who don't help with progression of the sport. You are so entrenched in your "awesomeness", that you can't look at another boat without disrespect. People like you don't have the intelligence to see another boat, and say "You know that would be really cool if it had this, kind of like ___(insert other manufacturer here)____". Or "I really like what they have done here, that's pretty cool". You think that your design is so superior that nothing is as good. And thank god you aren't on the design team for these companies. As your company would fail terribly as other intelligent people would look at each other, learn from each other, and create better more advanced designs.

Everyone has an opinion on what's better. But what differentiates you and I, is the fact that I don't let my opinions inhibit me from seeing another boat and appreciating it's design, or seeing the possibilities of another boat. You're too busy beating your chest about how awesome you are.

[Riddick]

BSBell, I Rode in a local tourny just last week behind the new 230.. Apparently factory ballast was enough because they put 2 400s in the back..and that was just for the advanced division . My buddy owns a 07 210. We put extra ballast in it cause the wake is awesome with extra weight. They might not need 2000 lbs extra, but they need extra.

[Riddick]

BSBell, wonder why Fly High makes a custom ballast system for Nautique?

[Schmo]

Let's look at those negatives.

PCM > Indmar. Owned tons several boats with Indmar engines and they all held up strong. What is exactly better about a PCM version of the proven over test of time GM 350 engine?

Zero Off > PerfectPass. Once again, owned tons of boats with PerfectPass and it has never failed me... so why again is the CC version so superior?

Hard tanks > Bags. I am probably in the minority here but I LOVE that Supra uses bags. I upgraded the front bag to 1150 and the rears to 900 each. I don't use all that when boarding but it is nice to have 900s in the corners for wakesurfing. Sure they take up storage but anyone who adds additional weight to boats will take up storage (which most of us do). However, I never have a fat sac lying around and it accomadates weight for surfing. The CCs have less than 1K of total weight and don't tell me you can get a great surf wake without adding bags.

Yep, hard tanks have advantages but some of us like the flexibility of bags.

Byerly and Murray own CCs. Ok, so they do... you really think they ride them with STOCK ballast? Just like the pros ride XStars with STOCK ballast.


Long story short, just like haugy said, everything you state is opinion... not fact. I think the color blue is best but it doesn't mean it is.

[BSBell]

[Commodore]

[scott a]

The amount of boats that your mommy and daddy have bought over the years doesn't give your opinion any more weight or credibility.

The JD Power award is absolutely meaningless, and if anything it shows that CC is slipping since MC tied them this year...

I haven't read anything explaining how PCM is superior to Indmar or vice versa.

[BSBell]

[Rhawn]

[Commodore]

[BSBell]

[Commodore]

BSBell, no soap box. I just don't enjoy watching anyone come in and belittle people for their choice of boat, or for someone to have some sort of superiority complex because of what they have.

Just try to relax a bit. We all love our boats, but we can take it too far sometimes.
As you can imagine when an older Supra posts come up, you will bet I will be in there. Just like I expect to see you when a Nautique thread comes in. But when crossing makes in a discussion, try and be respectful of others choices.

[Suprahunter]

This is the second time I entered a post on a new boat and the subject has drifted
to personal attacks. It somewhat makes entertaining reading but its not what I am
trying to find out. Lets try somthing new please tell me the good things about
your boat that would make you buy a new one. NO NEGITIVE REMARKS OF
OTHER MAKES PLEASE! My wife is thinking 21',22' but I like the 23', 24' I am not
a professional wakeboarder just all around watersports for the last 20 years.
Thanks for your attention to my post.

[BSBell]

Are you looking into a Supra or Nautique?

[jt09]

Suprahunter, quit being a pansy. go search the forum and you'll see what everyone thinks. it's no different form this thread.

how about this....DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

buy what you like.

[Riddick]

Suprahunter, The supra 24 ssv is the one i like the most in the supra line up. I rode behind one last night, and the wake is awesome. It was roomy too even tho it had bags instead of built in tanks .

[BSBell]

Go test drive both.