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PostPosted: Sep 05, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Front Rolls Reply with quote

Ok, I have searched on the forums but can not seem to get a solid answer. I am planning on attemping an invert the next time I go out. I have never tried one but I figured might as well try it a couple of times before the season ends. I have read that Front Rolls are harder on the body but I also think that the rotation would be better for me since I do not have a Tower (yet) and think I could pull one off faster in the air than a back roll. My question is, what steps need to be taken to ensure that my rotation is solid? Also, is my reasoning sound for a front roll or should I try back first?
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PostPosted: Sep 05, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep the handle in tight to your hip and keep yourself in a cozy little ball if you're doing it toeside. If you're coming in heelside, I'd strongly recommend a tantrum or backroll.
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PostPosted: Sep 06, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how do you initiate the rotation on the backroll?
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PostPosted: Sep 06, 2007 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhmorgan, I agree with QNev, I learned fronts after I had a tower, but have hammered both tants and BR's without one. I deffinetly think one of those are way to go.
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PostPosted: Sep 09, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhmorgan wrote:
So how do you initiate the rotation on the backroll?


http://www.wakeboarder.com/tricks/backroll.phtml

I just started working on HS backrolls last week. So far I have managed to get around far enough that my board hit the water first. I have not landed it and ridden away yet though. I'm working on it. Cool

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PostPosted: Apr 05, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to initiate a backroll make sure you jump first!!! then right as your board leaves the wake throw your head toward your shoulder as if tryin to hold a phone between your head and shoulder.
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PostPosted: May 13, 2008 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Front Rolls Reply with quote

jhmorgan wrote:

I have read that Front Rolls are harder on the body but I also think that the rotation would be better for me since I do not have a Tower (yet) and think I could pull one off faster in the air than a back roll. My question is, what steps need to be taken to ensure that my rotation is solid? Also, is my reasoning sound for a front roll or should I try back first?


This is were you are wrong it will be hard to keep a tight rotation for the front cuz you naturally will want to let go with your back hand, this slows the rotation down and most people start to reach with the feet at this point as well. A tower will have "almost" nothing to do with pulling this trick off or not.

The HS back roll is the most basic of inverts for a reason - you can keep two hands on the handle through the entire rotation which in turn helps you rotate faster.
Also you don't need a wake to do a HS back roll. I haven't figured out how to do a front roll with out a wake.

On the TS side of the wake a TS backroll or Scarecrow would be easier than a straight front roll IMO...

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PostPosted: May 13, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, everybody thinks frontrolls would be the easiest to learn, i did when i was learning inverts. But after trying a couple, i found out they were really hard and started working on backrolls, piece of cake. Seriously, to everybody who thinks frontrolls will be the easiest to learn, most likely you're wrong, backrolls, scarecrows, or tantrums are the way to go for first inverts. For the backroll, the wake does all the work, and like J_DOGG said, you can do them without the wake, and that's gotta be saying something.
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PostPosted: May 13, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your first invert should be a backroll or a tantrum.
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PostPosted: May 14, 2008 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hii dave.... the trick to the back roll is the handle position! If you keep the handle in tight to your hip the roll is going to be much quicker so you'll have enough time for a set landing! It took me a good summer to finally land one but once i learned to keep the handle in the trick is simple!
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PostPosted: May 15, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like J_DOGG, said, a scarecrow would be easier, but its alot of times better to learn the ts frontroll before the crow.
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PostPosted: May 19, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It almost certainly leads to better crows to learn front rolls first - I can't do fronts yet but have my 'crows down, but they come out the back quite a lot. I can see that doing fronts helps get the rotation more "over the top" and less round the back. But having said that I found crows pretty easy, whereas I was flaming all my fronts. And it is satisfying just to get a TS invert in the bag. You can work on the form later.
That said HS BR's are definitely an easier first invert IMO.
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PostPosted: May 20, 2008 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it considered a "trip" trick? I was going to give one a shot, and I didn't really undertand how to intiate the rotation from the tutorial.
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PostPosted: May 22, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah the TS front and scarcrow are both trip flip tricks similar to the Tantrum.
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PostPosted: May 23, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are, but they don't feel nearly as "trippy" as tantrums to me. You don't need to come off your edge that much to go over the front!
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