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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Jun 10, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: Do you like bananas |
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I was waiting to see how long it'd be before someone jumped on McKonkey's idea of reverse camber, and I'm not really suprised it was Lib. I'm not really a freestyle type of board guy, but I'd really be interested to see how one of these bad boys rides. More importantly if the tech is going to spill over into powder boards. We already have tapered boards, a tweak to the camber (if functional) would probably be sick.
http://lib-tech.com/tech/SkateBanana.html
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chavez Ladies Man
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 27375 City: Roseville
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Interesting.
I'm surprised it hasn't been tried sooner.
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Damon Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 2097 City: Federal Way / Bellingham
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Wakebrad Ladies Man
Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: |
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I don't get it. What's the difference?
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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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The design stems from a ski design/model called a "spatula". The ski has the reverse camber or "rocker" in wakeboarder language and has a reverse sidecut. So instead of an hourglass shape it, the skis are wider at the waist than at the tip and tail. Every skier I've talked to says the "spats" are the sickest powder skies out there. They suck in hardpack because they no longer have a sidecut, but in powder they utilize much of the hydrodynamic technology to treat powder like water.
What Lib did was just take the reverse camber idea, so now they have boards with rocker. This will help jibbing in that presses will be easier but the rocker may hinder turning stability. So they threw in the magna traction for extra grip in the turns. One of the key elements in turning a snowboard is go get the center portion of the edge to dig into the snow, the rocker may infact help it, but flex may be a bit of a hinderance.
In short it's really an experimentation of experimental designs. The two together may just be brilliant, or at the very least begin to push board technology in a new direction.
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gotama176 Soul Rider
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 341 City: Columbus
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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K2 will have a version with reverse camber called the Gyrator. Couple of the guys from my shop rode both at Test Fest, said they like the Banana a little better, but that both were a blast to ride.
Check out K2's Hellbents for a reverse camber Park Ski.
So many zero and reverse camber skis out there for 07/08 experimenting with sidecuts to solve the hardpack issue.
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Wakebrad Ladies Man
Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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So why is the picture of a normal looking snowboard?
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Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 701
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Wakebrad wrote: | So why is the picture of a normal looking snowboard? |
That was my thought
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oshensurfer PityDaFool Who Posts This Much
Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 6325
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Wakebrad, It's not. Look at the profile. A normal board would be flexing the other way, like a snow ski. Middle would be off the ground by 1/4" or so. That one rocks back and forth (has rocker).
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gotama176 Soul Rider
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 341 City: Columbus
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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The side cut is normal, not the camber. Actually, I think the banana is rockered, similar to a wakeboard, while the Gyrator is a reverse camber.
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billyjodonjimbob Soul Rider
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 280 City: Seattle
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Posted: Jun 11, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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I have had the pleasure of riding the skate banana as well as the gyrator.
This is not a gimick, at it was definitely fun. Riding powder was dope and both floated really, really well. Sliding rails was super fun to as pressing was a breeze. Butters were tons of fun. Jumps were different, but not bad, something that I could easily get used to. Groomers were fun too,
I like the lib-tech version a bit better, maybe because I rode it with magne-traction, but both were suer, super fun.
There are a whole bunch of reviews on snowboardseattle.com
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cezza Addict
Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 549 City: Hamilton, New Zealand
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Posted: Jun 13, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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..so manuals would be a piece of cake then?
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Beaver Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 1236 City: Nanaimo
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Posted: Sep 02, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I got me a bannana. its pretty amazingly sick.
i need some new binders, suggestions? i want a cap strap type toe strap for sure.
ive been thinking flux?
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jryoung Ladies Man
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose
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Posted: Sep 02, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Beaver wrote: | I got me a bannana. its pretty amazingly sick.
i need some new binders, suggestions? i want a cap strap type toe strap for sure.
ive been thinking flux? |
please post several detailed pictures.
Holy stuff I just went to Lib Tech and they went the distance and made a reverse camber, reverse side cut board. So sick, it'd love it as a split.
http://www.lib-tech.com/snowboards/hammock.html
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Damon Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 2097 City: Federal Way / Bellingham
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gotama176 Soul Rider
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 341 City: Columbus
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Posted: Sep 05, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I posted that before I realized they were the rockered Maiden's. My only knowledge at that time was that they were being used by some pro riders at park comps. Don't know which ones, just remember seeing them brought up in various threads, ect. That being said, I think I they will be seeing alot of use on BC booters and random park sessions.
Our shop had one pair, we sold 'em before we even had our season opening sale!
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gotama176 Soul Rider
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Posted: Sep 05, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, this is when I first remember hearing about the hellbents back in April. Andy Mahre and Pep Fujas were killing it on them late this spring. Rumor, NS rumor HA, is that they are going to be testing a narrow version of the Hellbent for Park.
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TP83 Addict
Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 739 City: Woodside
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Posted: Oct 27, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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so is the skate banana a park specific board? i keep reading the description but i keep confusing myself.
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NorthwestRider Wakeboarder.Commie
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 1175 City: Puyallup, WA
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