Tantrum POP, how?

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

Ok. I tried 11 tantrums on Sunday. I came close to landing 2 or 3, but there was 1 in particular where I got way way higher than the rest. Unfortunately no one was video taping and I really don't know what I did differently. It felt "right", if you know what I mean.

Anyway, what is the key to getting the most pop when doing the trip-flip cut?

Here is what I do right now:
Go as far out as I can TS, usually almost 90 degreest to boat. Throw over to a very hard HS cut with legs very bent (seated position). As I'm coming up to the wake i stand up, let go with back hand and square up the board.

Like I said, one of the 11 times I felt like superman up there, the other 10 were not very high. So whats the key to getting the most pop on trip flips? Thanks!

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

god, why so fast? You probably are trying to throw it too soon. Wait until you get to the top of the wake. You don't have to cut so hard and from so far away. Look up the trick tips for the tantrum and read through everything. What sounds different from what you are doing?

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

Oh, but I can't do it. So don't listen to me. Everyone knows you have to be able to do something to know how it is done. That's a dumb signature.

Just so you know.

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

It is not a dumb signature.

If you can't do a tantrum, please do not give me advice on how to do it. Thanks. This goes for everyone, not just re re (as I don't know if he's being sarcastic or really can't do a tantrum).

Please don't let this post get off topic and onto my signature now. Someone besides re re please answer my question on how to get good POP when doing a tantrum. Thanks.

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 19, 2005 7:09 am Post subject:

Landon126,
Alot of people that aren't necessarily the best and most talented wakeboarders, but spend alot of time in boats with riders that can throw down often times have the visual perspective that you can never have while riding unless you video yourself. Try being a little more humble and open your ears. re re, is right. You're throwing it too soon and your signature is dumb. And yes, I can stick tantrums. Confused

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

oshensurfer,
When do you square up to the wake? How far away from it are you when you let go with back hand and stand up?

I am definentally humble, I am just not interested in advice from people who cannot land the trick I am asking about. I appreciate that you can and want to know what you do.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

oshensurfer, well said.

Landon126, sometimes people who can land the trick are terrible at explaining it, and people who don't know how to land it can explain the mechanics better.

re re is right as well that you don't have to cut super-hard to land this, it's all timing. Try taking a reasonable cut in from 20-25 feet or so, flatten off about 5 feet before the wake and then try switching your edge right when you get to the top of the wake. Flatten off into the trough, then switch your edge. Try a few going a bit slower. Even if you fall a few times, it'll help you get the feeling of the pop off the top of the wake.

You can take my advice if you want. I might be able to stick tantrums... but then again, maybe I can't! Shocked

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

ontrider, don't toy with me! Can you land them!? haha

So you flatten off in the trough but don't switch your edge until the very very last second?

Do you take a seated approach? If so, when do you stand tall?

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

Stand tall at the top of the wake. That's where/how you get your pop.

Oops. I should've let someone else answer that.

Have you ever heard the expression "Those who can't, teach?"

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

OK.....am I right in this:

There are 4 things that need to be done: (not in any order)
1-go from seated to standing tall
2-let go with back hand
3-switch edge
4-flatten out

When do you do each? How far from the peak of the wake? Help help! THanks Smile

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 19, 2005 7:43 am Post subject:

Landon126,
Have you read the trick tip on the tantrum. It explains it pretty well.

It's all about timing. It comes and goes for me also. Usually goes when I'm tired and not concentrating. I still get around just not as high. This trick is supposed to be taken up, not out. The out comes from the cut.

Anyway, 1, 2 & 3 happen simultaneously for me. Waiting til the top of the wake to do those items will help throw your trick farther up.

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

oshensurfer, Yes I've read a ton about it, and watched higher education and the book on it. For me at least, reading/watching and doing are two very different things.

Thanks for your input oshensurfer. Perhaps I am doing them too soon, I don't know. I need to video tape it. I try to wait til the top, but who knows.

I twisted my ankle on my last attempt on Sunday and am still recovering, but I can't wait to go back out and try again. I'm going to try to do what you said:

Flatten out in trough, then stand, let go with back hand, and switch edge all at the top of the wake. GOGO Shocked

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 19, 2005 7:55 am Post subject:

NO problem. It'll come. Probably when you least expect it, like on your first attempt of the day. Good luck.

precision28 · Newbie Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 9

when you talk about switching your edge do you go come off your hs edge to a ts edge ? I am also trying to learn this and have not been able to get all the way around

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

precision28:
I don't think you're supposed to go all the way over to a TS edge, just line your board up so it is pointing at the boat.

oshensurfer, is there a specific disadvantage to going at this trick with a lot of speed? It seems like that would get you higher/farther. No?

precision28 · Newbie Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 9

landon,
when I tried the tantrum I did square up to the boat and got decent pop, when I got in the air my rotation stalled out about halfway around and I land on the back of my shoulders. do I need to try and throw head and shoulders back more?

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

precision28, as my signature goes, you may want to ask someone else, but...I can tell you what's helped me, as I used to have that problem:

On your approach, try to keep your arms bent about half way, then when u square up, pull the rope hard to your lead hip and try as hard as you can to keep it there with just your lead hand. It takes a lot of strength (for me) but keeping the rope close should cause you to spin faster.

I've also been told that if you throw back really hard, you will get almost no height on the trick, so I try to wait a bit before i throw back. Try pulling your knees up to your chest more to initialize the rotation.

Funny, I started a thread needing help on tantrums and somehow I'm giving advice....hmmmmm Confused

re re · Addict Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 723

look behind you. If your rotation stalled, you probably weren't looking for the water coming around behind you.

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

Practicing on a tramp is also very helpful. Now that I have backflips dialed on a tramp, the rotation is fairly natural for me. I just need to get the POP consistent!

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 19, 2005 11:11 am Post subject:

Rotation issues is due to not switching your edge early enough and tripping yourself over, not necessarily due to where you're looking.. The speed of the rotation is body position. i.e. bend your knees up to your chest, rotate faster... lay out flat... rotate slower.

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

oshensurfer, so...

regarding the edge switch:

too early = faster spin, lower pop
too late = slower spin, higher pop
just right = fast spin, high pop....

ya?

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

Start wide, slow progressive turn towards the wake building up good speed. as you transfer to a toeside edge riding up the wake (you can look at the wake all the way up to it) wait for the pop at the top of the wake. dont think about going across the wake it will happen automatically. just think about as you get your pop rising with your chest and head to the sky and you will rotate naturally. look straight back till you see the water.

good luck

oshensurfer · Posted: Jul 19, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject:

Landon126 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 168 City: Louisville

Thanks oshensurfer, you are the man. I'm so pumped now, I just know I can do it. I will hop on here after next week to give my report (assuming my ankle is healed by then). I hope I land my first invert!
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